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What's the difference in tariff between the HC and PH?


Scottish PH (those with meters) tariffs are set by the LA and are usually the same as Taxis (HC). Dundee is probably like this.


Wow that's a really weird way of running a private company having somebody else telling you what you can charge :? What about those that don't have meters?

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Same tarriff for PH and Hack..all vehicles must have meter installed and calibrated accordingly.....


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Same tarriff for PH and Hack..all vehicles must have meter installed and calibrated accordingly.....


So where's the competition in that? Is it the norm for the PH to charge less than the meter rate?

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Same tarriff for PH and Hack..all vehicles must have meter installed and calibrated accordingly.....


So where's the competition in that? Is it the norm for the PH to charge less than the meter rate?


The 1982 act says, that if a meter is fitted it must be calibrated and set and sealed to the council rate, and that is the maximum that can be charged drivers are free to charge less if they wish to


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So where's the competition in that? Is it the norm for the PH to charge less than the meter rate?


Time for a game o snakes n ladders..........go back 13 spaces!!!!


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toots wrote:
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What's the difference in tariff between the HC and PH?


Scottish PH (those with meters) tariffs are set by the LA and are usually the same as Taxis (HC). Dundee is probably like this.


Wow that's a really weird way of running a private company having somebody else telling you what you can charge :? What about those that don't have meters?


Remember, under the 1982 act, PH in Scotland can also accept their own bookings. Unlike E&W, no separate operator licence is required.
So effectively, every Taxi and PH up here is a separate business and if left to their own devices, all could have different meter tariffs within the same circuit.

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Same tarriff for PH and Hack..all vehicles must have meter installed and calibrated accordingly.....


So where's the competition in that? Is it the norm for the PH to charge less than the meter rate?
It's not normal here, can't speak for the rest of the country. Taxis and PH usually work the same circuits in Aberdeen so different rates would cause problems.
TBH, I don't think anyone wants a price war.

That said, EPH in Edinburgh recently applied to have their tariff reduced by 30% and I think it was granted. Maybe some of the Edinburgh guys can tell us what affect it has had, if any?

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gusmac wrote:
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Same tarriff for PH and Hack..all vehicles must have meter installed and calibrated accordingly.....


So where's the competition in that? Is it the norm for the PH to charge less than the meter rate?
It's not normal here, can't speak for the rest of the country. Taxis and PH usually work the same circuits in Aberdeen so different rates would cause problems.
TBH, I don't think anyone wants a price war.

That said, EPH in Edinburgh recently applied to have their tariff reduced by 30% and I think it was granted. Maybe some of the Edinburgh guys can tell us what affect it has had, if any?


You get what you pay for, that is why ECPH charge less. Has it affected the Hacks........NOT ONE LITTLE BIT!


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tx_op wrote:
Same tarriff for PH and Hack..all vehicles must have meter installed and calibrated accordingly.....


So where's the competition in that? Is it the norm for the PH to charge less than the meter rate?
It's not normal here, can't speak for the rest of the country. Taxis and PH usually work the same circuits in Aberdeen so different rates would cause problems.
TBH, I don't think anyone wants a price war.

That said, EPH in Edinburgh recently applied to have their tariff reduced by 30% and I think it was granted. Maybe some of the Edinburgh guys can tell us what affect it has had, if any?


You get what you pay for, that is why ECPH charge less. Has it affected the Hacks........NOT ONE LITTLE BIT!


Cleggy, you live in a dream world. I know for a fact ECPH was taking almost 1000 jobs a week over the festival, out of your little deal at the Airport. They also send the [edited by admin] they don't want up to your rank.

There might have been an increase in work over the last four weeks, but now it's heading to the floor.

Oh and Cleggy, you and Lisa are hardly typical taxi operators. You might be a good combination, but husband and wife both out earning with nothing else to spend your money on?

Everything is relative but for most folks, they can't just think about themselves.

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gusmac wrote:
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tx_op wrote:
Same tarriff for PH and Hack..all vehicles must have meter installed and calibrated accordingly.....


So where's the competition in that? Is it the norm for the PH to charge less than the meter rate?
It's not normal here, can't speak for the rest of the country. Taxis and PH usually work the same circuits in Aberdeen so different rates would cause problems.
TBH, I don't think anyone wants a price war.

That said, EPH in Edinburgh recently applied to have their tariff reduced by 30% and I think it was granted. Maybe some of the Edinburgh guys can tell us what affect it has had, if any?


The Ph is making inroads into the hack work but the recession is damaging us more. The forthcoming double dip recession and subsequent depression will finish a lot of guys off.

There will always be a taxi trade, but it won't be anything like it is now. You can consider the last two years as signalling the end of good times. The worst is yet to come. :-|

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If I've read all this right the only difference between PH and HC in scotland is possibly the type of vehicle they have to drive and HC being able to pick up on the street and sit on ranks. Lets face it nobody wants to be sat on a rank anyway cos that means they ain't got a job to do. I'd be inclined to look at the financial side of this and see exactly what benefit I'd be getting if I was HC driver cos it appears things are more in favour of the PH up there. You're on the same tariff as each other, the same circuit as each other and you all have an ops licence. I don't see any benefit really to being a HC driver in Scotland :?

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The Ph, is like a virus that divides and multiples to consume everything in its path. Any time there is an increase in work the Ph expands in numbers to meet the demand. This might mean a short term spike in income for the existing drivers, but it only lasts until more cars appear on the circuit to meet the demand. The financial benefit goes to the radio circuit owner in the form of radio dues.

The Hacks, as you know, are restricted in their number. Their companies, for the most part, operate for the benefit of the individual taxi owner. Although now you could argue the real benefit goes to the committees, who are supposed to be running the companies in the members' interests.

In the last 10 years, the Ph has tripled in their number, from approximately 300 in 1999-2000 to around 1000 at today's date.

In that time, the hack fleet has lost at least 30% of its work. While there are other factors that haven't helped this hasn't stopped the expansion of Ph.

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You know f*ck all about PH gary.

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You know f*ck all about PH gary.

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Oh really CC, how so? I've worked as a Ph. :D

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You know f*ck all about PH gary.

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Oh really CC, how so? I've worked as a Ph. :D


Yeah? me too.....20 odd years ago.

The only thing a PH operator is interested in is more vehicles on their circuit.

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