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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:50 am 
Dusty Bin wrote:
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Perhaps the best case scenario in areas where local associations want restricted hackney numbers would be to ensure that owners return the plates to the council when they retire, effectively banning the transfer of licenses.



Yes captain, but the Dundee experience shows the results - it seems that most plateholders have nothing to do with the trade other than the money they make out of it - as Andy says, they have no obligation to hand the plate back until they retire.

However, you did say 'retire', but that seems the kind of rule that some would drive a coach and horses through. How do you define retired? For example, I know quite a few who keep a badge in the drawer in case of 'emergencies'. Assuming they had to work to keep the badge, how much hours do they have to work, and if you specify a figure, what's to stop them from mis-stating it?

The bottom line is that for as long as plates are limited, they will be misused.

The only way to stop that woul be to specify one driver per vehicle, but this would amount to limiting the number of badges - what a good idea!!!

All that's required are a few reasonable standards for cars and drivers - London shows the principles in action - no quotas or plate values there!!

Dusty



you sound very right wing, forbid 2 drivers driving a taxi? barmy how do you control that?

just typical talk of the freedom of the individual then you take it away.

its spitefull

Wharfie


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you sound very right wing, forbid 2 drivers driving a taxi? barmy how do you control that?

just typical talk of the freedom of the individual then you take it away.

its spitefull

Wharfie[/quote]

If you have another read you'll see that I didn't actually advocate that Wharfy.

Anyway, in many areas there is almost only one driver per car, and many manage it, including myself. Look at London for example.

Hardly spiteful.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:48 am 
Dusty Bin wrote:
[quote="Anonymous
you sound very right wing, forbid 2 drivers driving a taxi? barmy how do you control that?

just typical talk of the freedom of the individual then you take it away.

its spitefull

Wharfie


If you have another read you'll see that I didn't actually advocate that Wharfy.

Anyway, in many areas there is almost only one driver per car, and many manage it, including myself. Look at London for example.

Hardly spiteful.

Dusty[/quote]


Thats ok thier choice, except you want to ban the rights of jockeys sorry dusty you are sounding like a right wing version of the leader from Gateshead

except his agenda is public your is hidden.

and with our trade split thousands of ways like this you think there will be change from oft?

not on your nellie

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:53 am 
Wharfie wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:
[quote="Anonymous
you sound very right wing, forbid 2 drivers driving a taxi? barmy how do you control that?

just typical talk of the freedom of the individual then you take it away.

its spitefull

Wharfie


If you have another read you'll see that I didn't actually advocate that Wharfy.

Anyway, in many areas there is almost only one driver per car, and many manage it, including myself. Look at London for example.

Hardly spiteful.

Dusty



Thats ok thier choice, except you want to ban the rights of jockeys sorry dusty you are sounding like a right wing version of the leader from Gateshead

except his agenda is public your is hidden.

and with our trade split thousands of ways like this you think there will be change from oft?

not on your nellie

ffeog[/quote]



if I can get near the computer through this barrage of drivers

it seems to me Dusty you are strongly advocating it I have read it again with this rabble here, and that opinion is a consensus here.


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I've got a good idea, why not let the market decide how many drivers are needed in our trade? :roll:

If there are too many, they wont earn. If there are too few, the market will decrease, when customers find an alternative way home.

Perhaps we could then have the same proceedure, in terms of vehicles? :D


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if I can get near the computer through this barrage of drivers

it seems to me Dusty you are strongly advocating it I have read it again with this rabble here, and that opinion is a consensus here.


Wharfie


Well if you can't control your 'rabble' then that's your problem.

How many people are you posing as Wharfy?

You should be on the stage :D

As I said, have a proper read.

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So we now seem to have a number of alternatives as to limit/regulate entry into the Hackney Carriage trade.

1, Through vehicle cost
2, Through the number of vehicle licenses issued
3, Through more enhanced driver testing and training
4, Through the compulsary slaughter of OAP plate holders

all good options!

Now the solution to private hire numbers.. all of the above? plus making it legal for HC drivers to have an open season on PH not too disimilar to August 12 grouse shooting?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:13 pm 
captain cab wrote:
So we now seem to have a number of alternatives as to limit/regulate entry into the Hackney Carriage trade.

1, Through vehicle cost
2, Through the number of vehicle licenses issued
3, Through more enhanced driver testing and training
4, Through the compulsary slaughter of OAP plate holders

all good options!

Now the solution to private hire numbers.. all of the above? plus making it legal for HC drivers to have an open season on PH not too disimilar to August 12 grouse shooting?


Captain Cab,
I have been trying to put a name to that distinctive, aura of opinions I have seen so many times beffore, is it Maurice? no his has that funny tang of London Whitt , where as you are more of an educated type that knows his way round

could it be the famous DC, of com cab board fame and LTDA, former if not present member and lcdc negotiator from Wimbledon?

I wonder

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Who cares Wharfy, not I? :D

However the reasoning about the issues that could regulate entry (I hate the word restrict) into the HC trade, are to a degree sound. Although I have my doubts about number 4, but if needs must. :wink:

I think it all boils down to standards, providing they are reasonable, they will be met.

Whereas restrictions can never be met, no matter what. :(


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captain cab wrote:
Now the solution to private hire numbers.. all of the above? plus making it legal for HC drivers to have an open season on PH not too disimilar to August 12 grouse shooting?


As for the solution to PH numbers, well a free and open HC market will do nicely. :D :D


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Not even close wharfy! keep trying though :D

I think your right sussex, the solution to the growth of private hire is well and truly dependant upon the hackney trade eventually having to grasp the nettle of increased numbers.

I take it that the NTA are correct then!


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captain cab wrote:
I think your right sussex, the solution to the growth of private hire is well and truly dependant upon the hackney trade eventually having to grasp the nettle of increased numbers.

I take it that the NTA are correct then!


I think it all depends on what one accepts as a increase in numbers.

If you go by the survey method, then it takes too long, and the whole process is flawed. In other words by the time any new licenses are up and running, they are either no longer required or more are needed.

But other than this flawed way of assessing demand, the only way of increasing is de-limitation. But if standards are kept high, then the shock to some could be diluted.

What ever anyone says about the PH trade, outside of London, they adapt to customer needs far better than the HC trade.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 11:21 pm 
Sussex Man wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Now the solution to private hire numbers.. all of the above? plus making it legal for HC drivers to have an open season on PH not too disimilar to August 12 grouse shooting?


As for the solution to PH numbers, well a free and open HC market will do nicely. :D :D


yes of course Sussex as long as they are in other areas than your own/?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 11:23 pm 
Sussex Man wrote:
captain cab wrote:
I think your right sussex, the solution to the growth of private hire is well and truly dependant upon the hackney trade eventually having to grasp the nettle of increased numbers.

I take it that the NTA are correct then!


I think it all depends on what one accepts as a increase in numbers.

If you go by the survey method, then it takes too long, and the whole process is flawed. In other words by the time any new licenses are up and running, they are either no longer required or more are needed.

But other than this flawed way of assessing demand, the only way of increasing is de-limitation. But if standards are kept high, then the shock to some could be diluted.

What ever anyone says about the PH trade, outside of London, they adapt to customer needs far better than the HC trade.



they certainly arnet round here!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 12:32 am 
Theres a mixture of points here, do private hire adapt better than the HC trade?

I suppose it depends to a certain degree what type of hackney driver you are, if your attached to a radio circuit and techinally private hire (to a certain degree) I think wharfies agrument falls down, as it is predominantly the HC trade which has wheelchair accessible vehicles, we therefore are an asset to a PH business.

If your a driver that works mainly ranks and isnt attached to a radio circuit, then Sussexs argument is correct!

Hey!! should I get a job at the UN or what!!


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