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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:34 pm 
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I also think the food delivery side is struggling.

Both in terms of extra costs, and the drop in business due to those extra costs.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:06 pm 
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Dropped 10% today to $24.66.

Half it's IPO listing, three and a half years on, despite all the geeks/boffins expecting it to be massively profitable.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:10 pm 
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Think this is why.

Uber, Lyft sink after Biden administration proposes new gig work rule

https://www.ft.com/content/9af840e4-749 ... d1de8ecf20

Shares in the largest gig economy companies in the US tumbled after the Biden administration proposed a new rule that would make it more likely that gig workers will be classified as employees instead of independent contractors.

Ride-hailing app Uber fell as much as 16.7 per cent, while shares in rival Lyft and food delivery service DoorDash hit record lows during trading in New York on Tuesday as investors worried the US labour department’s proposal would dramatically raise wage costs.

The proposal would establish a “test” that the labour department could use to determine if workers are employees or independent contractors based on how much control they have over their hours and their job responsibilities. It lowers the bar to employee status from the rule written under the Trump administration.

Because these companies, and some other businesses, classify their workers as contractors, they are not legally required to provide them with some job benefits due to employees, such as a minimum wage, overtime pay and contributions to unemployment insurance and Social Security. Adding these benefits would “throw the business model upside down”, Wedbush Securities analysts Daniel Ives and John Katsingris wrote in a research note.

About 9 per cent of US adults had earned money through an online gig platform in the past 12 months, according to a 2021 Pew Research Center report, and could receive new job benefits under the proposed rule. Cleaners, construction workers and home health workers could also gain employee status.

But the probability of the Biden administration forcing gig companies to reclassify their workers is “low”, according to RBC analyst Brad Erickson, because it could force ride-hailing companies to lay off 3mn to 4mn part-time drivers and substantially raise prices for their services.

Uber’s head of federal affairs, CR Wooters, said in a statement the company’s drivers prefer the flexibility of the current arrangement and that the proposed rule is “essentially returning us to the Obama era, during which our industry grew exponentially”.

Lyft said that the proposal poses “no immediate or direct impact” on its business because drivers worked as contractors under a similar Obama-era rule. DoorDash said it believes its workers are already properly classified and that it does not expect the proposed rule to change their status as independent contractors.

Following their initial sell-off, shares in Uber, Lyft and DoorDash pared early double-digit declines to be down between 4 per cent and 8 per cent during lunchtime trading.

Still, the proposal is “a clear blow to the gig economy and a near-term concern for the likes of Uber and Lyft”, Ives and Katsingris wrote. “While for now this is an interpretive rule, this will cast some uncertainty over the likes of Uber and Lyft as the Street worries about the potential ripple impacts from [these] latest Beltway changes,” they added.

Drivers have long campaigned to be classified as employees in hopes of improved pay and benefits. Being classified as independent contractors makes it impossible to consistently earn a living wage, worker advocates say.

“While independent contractors have an important role in our economy, we have seen in many cases that employers misclassify their employees as independent contractors,” labour secretary Marty Walsh said in a statement. “Misclassification deprives workers of their federal labour protections, including their right to be paid their full, legally earned wages.”

The labour department said it will give the public 45 days to comment on the proposal before proceeding with the rulemaking process.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:34 pm 
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won't happen they'll organise another Californian style pro slavery vote and that'll be it

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:35 pm 
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So Uber had a good third quarter according to their bosses, and only lost 1.2 billion dollars.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber- ... 1667311501

The spin they put on these losses are classic, but a few years back this was the time when they would be reaping the rewards.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:16 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
So Uber had a good third quarter according to their bosses, and only lost 1.2 billion dollars.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber- ... 1667311501

The spin they put on these losses are classic, but a few years back this was the time when they would be reaping the rewards.



As I said before it doesn't matter if they lose money all that matters is their investors profits :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:26 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
So Uber had a good third quarter according to their bosses, and only lost 1.2 billion dollars.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber- ... 1667311501

The spin they put on these losses are classic, but a few years back this was the time when they would be reaping the rewards.



As I said before it doesn't matter if they lose money all that matters is their investors profits :wink:

But they have never paid a dividend and the share price is down about 40% since IPO.

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Currently $25.33, which is about 42% down on the year.

But some in the financial press think investment in Uber is a no-brainer. #-o

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:05 pm 
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Currently $25.33, which is about 42% down on the year.

But some in the financial press think investment in Uber is a no-brainer. #-o


It's the same as all these ads encouraging people to start trading or investing in gold etc. They have all "invested" and now want some shmucks to buy their investments off them at a nice profit. Talking up the shares might add 5 to 10 percent onto the value

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Uber will go on, all those drivers cant be wrong

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Uber will go on, all those drivers cant be wrong

It's the drivers that are causing Uber all the problems, as they take 75% of the fare.

So to make money Uber either have to increase their take and lose drivers or increase fares and lose punters.

And that's been Uber's problem since day 1, and they haven't addressed it. Instead, they have just carried on losing billions and billions.

Which is why the share price is down 42% year on year.

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Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
Uber will go on, all those drivers cant be wrong

It's the drivers that are causing Uber all the problems, as they take 75% of the fare.

So to make money Uber either have to increase their take and lose drivers or increase fares and lose punters.

And that's been Uber's problem since day 1, and they haven't addressed it. Instead, they have just carried on losing billions and billions.

Which is why the share price is down 42% year on year.


ok, thats the share price, but what is their tax return profit before the accountants have massaged the figures, or dont the CEO/execs get paid?

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ok, thats the share price, but what is their tax return profit before the accountants have massaged the figures, or dont the CEO/execs get paid?

Up to the end of 2021 Uber has lost $24.5 billion.

For the first three quarters of 2022 they lost a further $9.7 billion, partly down to revaluing outside investments.

And yes the CEO/execs get paid fortunes. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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And yes the CEO/execs get paid fortunes. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Question

Where do the wages come from with such losses?

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Financial Highlights for Fourth Quarter 2021

Gross Bookings grew 51% year-over-year (“YoY”) to $25.9 billion, or 50% on a constant currency basis, with Mobility Gross Bookings of $11.3 billion (+67% YoY) and Delivery Gross Bookings of $13.4 billion (+34% YoY). Trips during the quarter grew 23% YoY to 1.77 billion, or approximately 19 million trips per day on average.
Revenue grew 83% YoY to $5.8 billion, or 82% on a constant currency basis.



https://investor.uber.com/news-events/n ... Year-2021/

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