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Author:  jason cole [ Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Book about oil depletion
"The Party's Over". Expect petrol prices to rise indefinitely. This book gives a good background as to how bad the EROEI is on oil (Energy Returned On Energy Invested) now compared to 100 years ago, what "Peak Oil" is, when it's likely to happen, and the likely knock-on effects. It's a very good read; I was gripped.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 33-4554853


Also, for further information, browse the ASPO website:

http://www.peakoil.net/
Author:  Johnny [ Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Book about oil depletion
jason cole wrote:
"The Party's Over".


Im still waiting for the party to start. :D
But if petrol goes up, so do the fares. I worked out once though that even if petrol doubled you would only need to increase your fares 10% or something like that to recoup it.
Cant find the figuers but i'm sure it was that.
Author:  Dusty Bin [ Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:27 pm ]
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Never mind, even if fuel prices quadruple (say) then they could be kept where they are just by reducing fuel duty :)

Anyway, I've got my nuclear powered Mondeo on order, it's definitely the most environmentally friendly power source, innit?

As for fuel prices, we don't really talk about them in my manor, even before the protests a few years ago I couldn't ever recall any driver speaking about them.

If you normally spend three-quarters of your time spent sitting around doing nothing a few pence on a litre of petrol doesn't really seem to be the big issue!

Dusty
Author:  Andy7 [ Thu Oct 16, 2003 7:42 pm ]
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It would seem to me Jason, that compared to 100 years ago, it is hardly a surprise. 1903 was hardly the year of fuel consumption. The road only overtook the railway as main transport mode as recently as 1955.

What level of reduction in fuel consumption would be needed to achieve sustainability?

However, even an answer to that pre-supposes that we dont invent some new form of energy supply.
Author:  Sussex [ Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:07 pm ]
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A few years ago, it seemed that our trade was all going to go gas. That was the future, cheap, clean etc etc.

It's turns out that in some cases, it's now bloody dearer, with the resale value of 25 year old FX.
Author:  PaddingtonBill [ Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:50 am ]
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every so often the barrons declare,
we running low on oil the wells are bare,
but if you find a glut there will be a rush,
of soldiers from Blair and President Bush.

off we send, attack by coast,
and rape the land of our host,
we keep secret of our true mission,
Whilst back home we put oil on ration,

did the book mention the Caspian sea?
a million Barrels per year there will be,
In Iraq we swap oil for cheap food,
yet we sit here worried and brood,

The statements on oil, in demise,
make oil more valuable and fit for a rise,
Do not worry Jason we are a land of coal.
the politicians will train workers from the dole.

Paddington Bill
Author:  jason cole [ Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:57 am ]
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Read the book, and you'll discover that coal isn't an option either.
Author:  Dusty Bin [ Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:47 pm ]
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Wot, you mean a Mondeo can't be converted to run on coal Jason??

Dusty :D
Author:  Andy7 [ Sat Oct 18, 2003 11:35 am ]
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In October 2000 we went all Gas. The whole fleet bar the busses. We saved £30,000 on fuel in the first year.

By Jan 2001 we had three (Autogas) cars dead with cylinder head/valve problems. (These were brand new in October).

Autogas have consistently refused to supply us with a copy of their software so that we can set the cars up properly after service. So they either ran like pigs, or we had to send them away to be done.

We took on our own agency for gas installations.

We replaced the Autogas kit with our own.

We have had serious computer problems with the gas cars.

We had serious parts supply problems.

The passengers thought they were being driven around in time bombs just waiting to explode.

The severe restrictions on boot space because of the tanks were a pain.

There were no end of minor problems trying to fill the cars (drivers forgot which adaptors, things like that).

Then, our supplier went bust or dissapeared for some reason.

So the Guvnor junked the whole bl**dy issue, and went out and bought new TDCi cars and buses.

Our fuel vis a vis sodding about costs have not increased.

Anyone want to buy a whole load of gas kits?
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:34 pm ]
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I just wish many drivers knew then, what they know now.

As I expect, does Andy's Mr Big.
Author:  Graham [ Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:15 pm ]
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hmmm, interesting. I've been running gas for three years with no real problems. Engines continue to run sweet, and I have a spare tyre tank, so no boot space issues. Quick software tune up after a service isn't a prob for the guy who did my conversions, he doesn't even charge for it.
Author:  Andy7 [ Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:58 pm ]
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1. Where do you now keep your spare wheel?
2. Do you not find the spare wheel tank still protrudes into your luggage/new spare wheel space? (I suppose this depends on the type of vehicle you use).
3. You use the term "engines" plural in sense. Have you had more than one engine in three years?
4. We could not do an Autogas "Quick software tune up", as they refused to supply us the software. They wanted us to take the cars 50 miles away to their nearest dealer (open Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm).

I am glad you were happy with gas. For us it was, and to a degree, still is, a right pain in the butt, as some of our O/drivers still have gas.

We certainly saved money though. It was just the money we saved didnt compensate us enough for the nuisance value.
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