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A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
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Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
At the moment the law states that once a Hackney Carriage or Private Hire Vehicle licence is issued, it has to be renewed annually and cannot be revoked unless the proprietor is no longer ‘fit and proper’.

Perhaps the idea of a council not being able to tailor the numbers of licensed vehicles to the needs of their own licensing authority, should be more closely looked at.

For instance;

1. The ability of a licensing authority to issue temporary vehicle licences, so that they may be withdrawn and issued at the licensing authority’s discretion as the local needs dictate.
2. The prohibition of the transfer of vehicle licences from proprietor to proprietor, thereby truly making every vehicle licence the property of the issuing licensing authority.

Discuss with venom!!
Author:  captain cab [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Have you been taking Hallucinogenic drugs?

CC
Author:  toots [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
2. The prohibition of the transfer of vehicle licences from proprietor to proprietor, thereby truly making every vehicle licence the property of the issuing licensing authority


Whilst I may agree that vehicles should not be sold with licences attached I can see why the council don't prevent it. I mean it's like selling a pub without a license to trade when clearly that isn't the case and isn't likely to ever be the case.
Author:  mancityfan [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Will they stop you owning a chip shop, cafe, pub, night club, whatever?
Author:  Sussex [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
1. The ability of a licensing authority to issue temporary vehicle licences, so that they may be withdrawn and issued at the licensing authority’s discretion as the local needs dictate.

I'm not sure that fits in with the Human Rights act, in relation to property rights. Didn't the Royden judge say the license was property but not the premium.

That said, there are council(s) that have summer hackney carriage licenses, which I suppose would meet your request. Even if I do feel that to be illegal.

Brummie Cabbie wrote:
2. The prohibition of the transfer of vehicle licences from proprietor to proprietor, thereby truly making every vehicle licence the property of the issuing licensing authority.

Have no complaints with that. But I'm unsure how it could be done.
Author:  Dusty Bin [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
The ability of a licensing authority to issue temporary vehicle licences, so that they may be withdrawn and issued at the licensing authority’s discretion as the local needs dictate.


So what happens to whoever's driving said vehicles?
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
captain cab wrote:
Have you been taking Hallucinogenic drugs?

CC

No I have not!!

One of the biggest gripes of the Bolshevik Apparatchiks that are amongst the ranks of the HC and PH brigades is the value of plates in restricted areas.

Get rid of that and the idea of limited vehicle licences for both HC and PH might become a possibility.

All anyone in this trade should be concerned about is to earn a reasonable living for reasonable hours worked.
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
toots wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
2. The prohibition of the transfer of vehicle licences from proprietor to proprietor, thereby truly making every vehicle licence the property of the issuing licensing authority

Whilst I may agree that vehicles should not be sold with licences attached I can see why the council don't prevent it. I mean it's like selling a pub without a license to trade when clearly that isn't the case and isn't likely to ever be the case.

But does the council allow unlimited pubs?
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
mancityfan wrote:
Will they stop you owning a chip shop, cafe, pub, night club, whatever?

Same answer; yes they will if there are too many in a given area!!!
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Sussex wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
1. The ability of a licensing authority to issue temporary vehicle licences, so that they may be withdrawn and issued at the licensing authority’s discretion as the local needs dictate.

I'm not sure that fits in with the Human Rights act, in relation to property rights. Didn't the Royden judge say the license was property but not the premium.

That said, there are council(s) that have summer hackney carriage licenses, which I suppose would meet your request. Even if I do feel that to be illegal.

Brummie Cabbie wrote:
2. The prohibition of the transfer of vehicle licences from proprietor to proprietor, thereby truly making every vehicle licence the property of the issuing licensing authority.

Have no complaints with that. But I'm unsure how it could be done.

All the above could be dealt with by new legislation.
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Dusty Bin wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
The ability of a licensing authority to issue temporary vehicle licences, so that they may be withdrawn and issued at the licensing authority’s discretion as the local needs dictate.

So what happens to whoever's driving said vehicles?

He / she would have taken up the temporary licence with the full knowledge that it was temporary, so where's the problem.

Supply and demand; an old capitalist idea you may not be familiar with.
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
captain cab wrote:
Have you been taking Hallucinogenic drugs?

CC

Spelling it with a capital 'H' would imply that you give such substances great reverence!!
Author:  Dusty Bin [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
He / she would have taken up the temporary licence with the full knowledge that it was temporary, so where's the problem.


So generally the options are to go on the dole or drive another vehicle.

So what difference does the latter make to "local needs"?

Quote:
Supply and demand; an old capitalist idea you may not be familiar with.


Yes, and that's decided by the market (or Adam Smith's 'invisible hand') not by councillors.
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Dusty Bin wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
He / she would have taken up the temporary licence with the full knowledge that it was temporary, so where's the problem.

So generally the options are to go on the dole or drive another vehicle.

So what difference does the latter make to "local needs"?

Congestion and unnecessary air pollution; a very big concern in these times when 10,000,000,000,000 people will soon be on the planet.
Dusty Bin wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Supply and demand; an old capitalist idea you may not be familiar with.

Yes, and that's decided by the market (or Adam Smith's 'invisible hand') not by councillors.

Yes, the market for the service, not for the providing of the service.
Author:  Dusty Bin [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A controversial idea for inclusion in a new Cab Act
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Congestion and unnecessary air pollution; a very big concern in these times when 10,000,000,000,000 people will soon be on the planet.


Quite, but my point was what difference would it make to congestion and pollution if the driver of the withdrawn licence just goes and drives for someone else?

Quote:
Yes, the market for the service, not for the providing of the service.


Eh?

You can't cite free markets in support of letting councillors decide the level of supply in the market.
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