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In the March Issue on page 40 of Press Cuttings Monthly we did an article


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The article can be found in the TDO news section and a thread was also instigated at this location.

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in respect of the issues highlighted by Newcastle licensing department about what they see as cross border hiring. The article can be found and downloaded from, "deleted" by popular demand.

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BY JD in the article

that the only way Newcastle council were going to get satisfaction is to take this issue to court.

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The following article from the Evening chronicle on Friday June 8, 2007 explains the latest developments of the situation.

A battle over cabbies getting cut-price licences in Berwick then plying for trade on Tyneside may end up in court. Newcastle City Council has condemned the practice and is asking Berwick Council to call a halt or face legal action.

Officials, backed by cabbies' leaders, say they are concerned about public safety because they have no control over the vehicles. The move also means more cabs are on to the streets of Newcastle in contravention of a restriction on numbers set by the city council. If the dispute is not settled, the city council is threatening to seek a judicial review, which means the case will be decided by a judge. Drivers can obtain a hackney carriage or private-hire licence in Berwick for around £125, plus a £57.15 test fee for the vehicle. In Newcastle, hackney carriage licences cost £318 and private-hire licences £315. Vehicle test costs are on top. Officials reckon that 62 hackney carriage vehicle proprietors' licences obtained in Berwick have addresses in Newcastle, and another 32 have addresses in North Tyneside. Newcastle Council claims Berwick is acting unlawfully, wants the practice is stopped and existing licences are revoked. But Berwick Council says it cannot refuse an application simply because people may then use the licences outside the borough.

Coun Anita Lower, Newcastle's executive member for regulation, said: "We have a lot of concerns about cars and drivers not licensed in Newcastle working in Newcastle. Local residents have a right to expect the standards we've set on matters, such as vehicle checks, are adhered to." A Berwick Council spokesman said: "In order to licence a person as a driver the council must be satisfied that the person is a fit and proper person and operating outside the borough cannot, in our opinion, make a person unsuitable.

All licensed vehicles meet the council's current safety standards." Another concern is that drivers do not have to take the Newcastle "knowledge" test and some of the cabbies are said to be from Poland with little command of the English language. Chris Chandler, regional chairman of the National Taxi Association and a member of Newcastle Owner Drivers' Association, said local cabbies back the action being taken by Newcastle Council. He said the Berwick-licensed cabbies are plying for trade in places such as Newcastle city centre, Whitley Bay and Tynemouth.

"The main concern is one of public safety," said Mr Chandler. "There is a limit on the number of licences issued because surveys show there are sufficient taxis in Newcastle and North Tyneside."


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Mick Pollard of the GMBPDB Northern Branch puts his views on the above news article.

I think there is more to this than meets the eye


Highly entertaining, lets see what Mick comes up with?

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Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.


It would seem Mick Pollard has exceptional eyesight because he can not only see into the future, he can also see through six English county councils and three Welsh county councils. However no one in Wales has ever seen or heard of a Berwick hackney carriage driver working anywhere in South Wales or even any part of Wales for that matter? I am beginning to wonder if this guy is really on the same planet as the rest of us?

It might not have escaped your attention but Mick Pollard miserably fails to mention which of the 13 Welsh Counties this Berwick hackney carriage driver was seen working and by whom?

Mick then reminds us that,

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The fact remains that these vehicles and drivers are working in contravention of their local by-laws


You might think this is a brilliant observation by the man who re invents himself every five minutes but we can't help but notice that he doesn't actually say which bylaws are being broken?

So we have a clairvoyant from Gateshead who can see through his crystal ball that Berwick cab drivers are working in South Wales and who states they are breaking Berwick bylaws yet he cannot pinpoint where they are working and nor can he provide evidence of which bylaws they are breaking?

I think we expect nothing else from the clockwork orange of the taxi trade yet I must point out that it also shows the stupidity of one Mr Tony Mite who allowed the diatribe to be put into print. I suppose thats the price you pay for knowing very little about the infinite workings of the taxi trade?

Mr Mite who we all know has a distinct lack of knowledge of the Taxi trade did not realise the absurdity of the comments eminated by the man from Gateshead. I can't say I have any pity for Mr Mite because in my opinion he is a man of dubious character. Any man who trades off the ideas of others, is to me a fraud. And Mr Mite certainly fits into that category as my personal messages from me to him and vise versa will verify.

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...and there is no way that they will be caught as Berwick Enforcement don't come to Newcastle and Newcastle enforcement cannot enforce Berwicks by-laws.


A Brilliant observation by Mr Pollard and one that deserves a round of applause but you might be at a loss in wondering what Mr Pollard means when he says "AND THERE IS NO WAY THEY WILL BE CAUGHT" lol caught at what? Mr Pollard is of the opinion that Berwick hackney carriage drivers working as private hire drivers in Newcastle are breaking the law? Shall we enlighten Mr Pollard and inform him that these Berwick licensed hackney carriage drivers are not breaking the law and if he is going to put his thoughts into print then at least he should be accurate in what he says.

Mick Pollard then starts rambling on about Testing stations as though they have a relevance to the way drivers prefer to work? Added to this nonsense he highlights the monetary intake of Berwick license fees as though they were a regular goldmine?

He then throws in the added ingredient of public safety as though public safety in Berwick is somewhat inferior to public safety in Newcastle.

Pollard things the public of Newcastle should be confined to using only vehicles that are licensed in Newcastle. He also has the same warped attitude to his own authority of Gateshead. He fails to realise that the world doesn't begin and end in Newcastle or Gateshead and that Newcastle residents who travel to Berwick in a Taxi will probably use a Berwick taxi for the return journey and the same applies to Gateshead and every other authority.

So you can see how warped the mindset of this man really is.

The people of Newcastle couldn't give a chit who takes them home, the problem is not with residents of Newcastle and their preferred choice of transport, on the contrary its about the working habits of Newcastle Cab drivers and their notion that only they should be allowed to transport the Newcastle public.

I don't really give a chit about Mick Pollard or Newcastle but I do give a chit about idiots who spout nonsense. Especially those idiots who put themselves up as representing the Taxi trade, such as the likes of Mick Pollard.

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It should also be mentioned that it has been suggested that Berwick Council have an approved testing station in Newcastle for their cars working out of area ...oh and it should also be highlighted that Berwick Council are taking at least £11,750 per year WITHOUT providing any enforcement and therefore incurring costs. (those figures are based on the vehicles licensed in Newcastle and North Tyneside and the licensing fee without vehicle tests. it does not include vehicles working elsewhere or drivers who don't live in either Newcastle or North Tyneside.)

I must say that people who share the opinion of JD and Sussex (amongst others) that councils should have the responsibility removed from them will show this action by Berwick as one that has legal standing


You can see by the comments above that Pollard is way out of his depth when it comes to licensing law even though we here on TDO have gone to great lengths on numerous occasions to point out his failings. I dont know what prompted him to think that he could get away with writing this nonsense but everything comes to him who waits?

Mick then reminds us that standards begin and end in Newcastle.

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The public in Newcastle should be assured that if they get into a taxi or PH vehicle in Newcastle that it has been checked and meet the standards of Newcastle City Council .... as well as the driver of it.


But Mick conveniently forgets to realise that what if some of the Newcastle public just happen to be in one of the other 342 licensing authorities, are they going to phone a Newcastle cab firm to take them home?

Give us a break Mick, Grow up for once and stop talking like a clown.

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Should cabs licensed in one area work predominately in another? IMO a big fat no.

Does the law of the land allow such a thing? IMO a big fat yes. [-(

As for the activities of said mag, it/they didn't know what they had untill it was gone for good. :?

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Well it certainly makes you think , what is the point of arguing for Standards, and what is the point of having a local knowledge test, and god help anybody that tries , it would seem that Brighton is the place to operate private hire, so if anybody has a few Pounds to spare and would like to mail-order licences , employing Polish drivers they can well be on to a winner , sod the local trade and who cares about knowledge tests?

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NEWCASTLE IN A QUANDARY OVER CROSS BORDER HIRING? THE LATEST...

In the March Issue on page 40 of Press Cuttings Monthly we did an article


Mr Mite means I did an article and all copyright belongs to me and TDO and not him.

The article can be found in the TDO news section and a thread was also instigated at this location.

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=5747

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in respect of the issues highlighted by Newcastle licensing department about what they see as cross border hiring. The article can be found and downloaded from, "deleted" by popular demand.

It was stated


BY JD in the article

that the only way Newcastle council were going to get satisfaction is to take this issue to court.

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The following article from the Evening chronicle on Friday June 8, 2007 explains the latest developments of the situation.

A battle over cabbies getting cut-price licences in Berwick then plying for trade on Tyneside may end up in court. Newcastle City Council has condemned the practice and is asking Berwick Council to call a halt or face legal action.

Officials, backed by cabbies' leaders, say they are concerned about public safety because they have no control over the vehicles. The move also means more cabs are on to the streets of Newcastle in contravention of a restriction on numbers set by the city council. If the dispute is not settled, the city council is threatening to seek a judicial review, which means the case will be decided by a judge. Drivers can obtain a hackney carriage or private-hire licence in Berwick for around £125, plus a £57.15 test fee for the vehicle. In Newcastle, hackney carriage licences cost £318 and private-hire licences £315. Vehicle test costs are on top. Officials reckon that 62 hackney carriage vehicle proprietors' licences obtained in Berwick have addresses in Newcastle, and another 32 have addresses in North Tyneside. Newcastle Council claims Berwick is acting unlawfully, wants the practice is stopped and existing licences are revoked. But Berwick Council says it cannot refuse an application simply because people may then use the licences outside the borough.

Coun Anita Lower, Newcastle's executive member for regulation, said: "We have a lot of concerns about cars and drivers not licensed in Newcastle working in Newcastle. Local residents have a right to expect the standards we've set on matters, such as vehicle checks, are adhered to." A Berwick Council spokesman said: "In order to licence a person as a driver the council must be satisfied that the person is a fit and proper person and operating outside the borough cannot, in our opinion, make a person unsuitable.

All licensed vehicles meet the council's current safety standards." Another concern is that drivers do not have to take the Newcastle "knowledge" test and some of the cabbies are said to be from Poland with little command of the English language. Chris Chandler, regional chairman of the National Taxi Association and a member of Newcastle Owner Drivers' Association, said local cabbies back the action being taken by Newcastle Council. He said the Berwick-licensed cabbies are plying for trade in places such as Newcastle city centre, Whitley Bay and Tynemouth.

"The main concern is one of public safety," said Mr Chandler. "There is a limit on the number of licences issued because surveys show there are sufficient taxis in Newcastle and North Tyneside."


So we have Chris Chandler making statements, we have Cllr Anita Lower making statements in the Evening Chronicle ........... that much is very clear however no comment about these statements, this seems to form the basis for the delusional JD's personal attack but lets see where he takes us.

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Mick Pollard of the GMBPDB Northern Branch puts his views on the above news article.

I think there is more to this than meets the eye


Highly entertaining, lets see what Mick comes up with?


Indeed as I haven't come up with anything yet so it should be entertaining.

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Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.


It would seem Mick Pollard has exceptional eyesight because he can not only see into the future, he can also see through six English county councils and three Welsh county councils. However no one in Wales has ever seen or heard of a Berwick hackney carriage driver working anywhere in South Wales or even any part of Wales for that matter? I am beginning to wonder if this guy is really on the same planet as the rest of us?


It would seem that the delusional JD knows every single driver in Wales, as he claims to have spoken to them all, strange that he fails to identify where the quote comes from, it may well have been off here, but one thing is for sure the statutory register from Berwick Council has some startling entries and substantiates the sighting of Berwick licensed vehicles as the drivers and vehicles are registered with Berwick council at addresses there. BTW I'm not on the same planet as the delusional JD cause he's there on his own.

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It might not have escaped your attention but Mick Pollard miserably fails to mention which of the 13 Welsh Counties this Berwick hackney carriage driver was seen working and by whom?


The information is available on Berwick Councils website I believe, the statutory register is definitely available from their offices and the library there.

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Mick then reminds us that,

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The fact remains that these vehicles and drivers are working in contravention of their local by-laws


You might think this is a brilliant observation by the man who re invents himself every five minutes but we can't help but notice that he doesn't actually say which bylaws are being broken?


I can't reinvent myself JD ..................... everyone knows who I am.

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So we have a clairvoyant from Gateshead who can see through his crystal ball that Berwick cab drivers are working in South Wales and who states they are breaking Berwick bylaws yet he cannot pinpoint where they are working and nor can he provide evidence of which bylaws they are breaking?


I can see into your future JD .................. at least if you stop you can walk away from your statements and allegations without recourse or your personal and professional reputation being threatened.

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I think we expect nothing else from the clockwork orange of the taxi trade yet I must point out that it also shows the stupidity of one Mr Tony Mite who allowed the diatribe to be put into print. I suppose that's the price you pay for knowing very little about the infinite workings of the taxi trade?

Mr Mite who we all know has a distinct lack of knowledge of the Taxi trade did not realise the absurdity of the comments eminated by the man from Gateshead. I can't say I have any pity for Mr Mite because in my opinion he is a man of dubious character. Any man who trades off the ideas of others, is to me a fraud. And Mr Mite certainly fits into that category as my personal messages from me to him and vise versa will verify.


Naming names again Mr JD .................. pity you are to scared to put forward your own and add some credibility to your insane ramblings.

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Mr Pollard goes on to say

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...and there is no way that they will be caught as Berwick Enforcement don't come to Newcastle and Newcastle enforcement cannot enforce Berwicks by-laws.


A Brilliant observation by Mr Pollard and one that deserves a round of applause but you might be at a loss in wondering what Mr Pollard means when he says "AND THERE IS NO WAY THEY WILL BE CAUGHT" lol caught at what? Mr Pollard is of the opinion that Berwick hackney carriage drivers working as private hire drivers in Newcastle are breaking the law? Shall we enlighten Mr Pollard and inform him that these Berwick licensed hackney carriage drivers are not breaking the law and if he is going to put his thoughts into print then at least he should be accurate in what he says.


Caught overcharging ............ caught not complying to the local conditions ............... come on JD stop adding words .................. I understand that the practice is legal .................. I just wonder why someone who supposedly supports quality standards would allow a vehicle to operate 300 miles away from an officer authorized to enforce those conditions or by-laws.

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Mick Pollard then starts rambling on about Testing stations as though they have a relevance to the way drivers prefer to work? Added to this nonsense he highlights the monetary intake of Berwick license fees as though they were a regular goldmine?


So the monetary intake for Berwick plates is sent down to Newcastle where the vehicles were previously licensed and where they continue to work ........ the testing of vehicles outside of the licensing area is surely not in anyone's benefit, other than the drivers who don't have to make a 100 mile or more round trip to get their vehicles checked.

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He then throws in the added ingredient of public safety as though public safety in Berwick is somewhat inferior to public safety in Newcastle.


If the vehicles are operating in Newcastle how would that effect the safety of the people in Berwick ............ and where is the quote that states that anyway ............... or are you just starting to make things up again

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Pollard things the public of Newcastle should be confined to using only vehicles that are licensed in Newcastle. He also has the same warped attitude to his own authority of Gateshead. He fails to realise that the world doesn't begin and end in Newcastle or Gateshead and that Newcastle residents who travel to Berwick in a Taxi will probably use a Berwick taxi for the return journey and the same applies to Gateshead and every other authority.


Yes I think that if a person phones their local private hire office and they have a problem they should be able to phone their local council and have that complaint dealt with by the people they elected.

I have driven cabs in the North East for 17 years ................ and I have never had a fare to Berwick .................... must just be unlucky then eh JD.

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So you can see how warped the mindset of this man really is.


I think that people can see who's mind is warped JD .............. oh dear here's another example.
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The people of Newcastle couldn't give a chit who takes them home, the problem is not with residents of Newcastle and their preferred choice of transport, on the contrary its about the working habits of Newcastle Cab drivers and their notion that only they should be allowed to transport the Newcastle public.

The people in Newcastle don't give a chit (as you put it) but surely you aren't suggesting that the council should stand by and watch unlicensed vehicles picking people up off the streets ............... and that's why they should maintain a level of control on whom should be licensed to carry the public and for the same reasons they should be able to enforce the law to its full extent on anyone acting illegally so they need to know who these people are and what they are driving so that they can be sure that the people are fit and proper and their vehicles are safe for public use.
Now what were you saying about a warped mind.
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I don't really give a chit about Mick Pollard or Newcastle but I do give a chit about idiots who spout nonsense. Especially those idiots who put themselves up as representing the Taxi trade, such as the likes of Mick Pollard.

So why write all this chit ................ your the one spreading chit JD and that's why you don't put your name to anything, you can hide away and then come out again when the heat is off, or you've added so many stories you have taken from elsewhere so that the thread is not even on the first page of the forum.
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It should also be mentioned that it has been suggested that Berwick Council have an approved testing station in Newcastle for their cars working out of area ...oh and it should also be highlighted that Berwick Council are taking at least £11,750 per year WITHOUT providing any enforcement and therefore incurring costs. (those figures are based on the vehicles licensed in Newcastle and North Tyneside and the licensing fee without vehicle tests. it does not include vehicles working elsewhere or drivers who don't live in either Newcastle or North Tyneside.)


You can see by the comments above that Pollard is way out of his depth when it comes to licensing law even though we here on TDO have gone to great lengths on numerous occasions to point out his failings. I dont know what prompted him to think that he could get away with writing this nonsense but everything comes to him who waits?


The heat is obviously not to the liking of Mr JD ............... berate the person when you cannot properly answer the allegations as written.

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Mick then reminds us that standards begin and end in Newcastle.

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The public in Newcastle should be assured that if they get into a taxi or PH vehicle in Newcastle that it has been checked and meet the standards of Newcastle City Council .... as well as the driver of it.


But Mick conveniently forgets to realise that what if some of the Newcastle public just happen to be in one of the other 342 licensing authorities, are they going to phone a Newcastle cab firm to take them home?

Give us a break Mick, Grow up for once and stop talking like a clown.


There are now numerous PH offices who have HC from other areas working (legally) under a PH contract ............. this means that they phone a Newcastle or Gateshead or North Tyneside cab firm and are taken home or taken out by a HC licensed in another authority.


I totally stand by the opinion I have of this situation.

What is not properly presented by JD is the fact the I do in fact understand that the practice is legal ................ I suggest that it is neither best practice nor in the public's interest.

I stand, and put my name to the calls for higher standards within our industry and will speak out when I believe a law is wrong ................ just as JD did himself when we all supported the action taken by the government with regard S75.

If the gentleman had the courage of his convictions he would put his name to his opinion or if unwilling debate the issues raised without resorting to personal insults.

Unfortunately he cannot ............. he has proved before on the issue in Carlisle regarding my friend Mr Wayne Casey that he to easily resorts to witch-hunt tactics ............ and he does this because he is not accountable because of his anonymity.

B. Lucky :D

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Ha Ha, that's actually quite funny :lol: , trouble is 99% of the time it's:


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I could go on, but you get the picture :lol:

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Indeed I do and indeed you could.

However I would like you to explain why the GMB are being brought into this argument when no-one has either named or included them as a contributor to this debate.

Oh I see .............................. you don't want to argue the issue raised .................. possibly because you agree with me and not the dillusional JD.

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Well I had a look on the GMB forum the other day and you seemed to be considered as some kind of unofficial GMB spokesman, and you were loving it. :lol:

I know who are the delusional ones, and it ain't JD :D

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So we have Chris Chandler making statements


I think you better explain to all those reading TDO who Chris Chandler is because the majority of TDO readers won't have a clue who he is and whats more, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

You might also wish to inform us precisely what Chris Chandler has to do with comments emanating from your mouth?

The comments were yours and not Chris Chandlers, therefore I turn to you to inform us who this mythical person is who finds it so convenient to license a vehicle in Berwick yet work in Wales? Especially when 99% of Welsh authorities are derestricted.

You made the statement didn't you? Therefore we expect it to be true, we also expect that you know it be true and that it's not just a figment of your imagination.

The fact is that you now admit to the statement being based on nothing more than an unsubstantiated reference observed on the Berwick upon on Tweed website that shows a hackney carriage proprietor with an address in Wales.

I suppose a hackney carriage owner with an address in Wales must mean that the driver of the vehicle also lives and works in Wales? Even if such an owner existed you have no way of knowing who drives the vehicle or where they work? The fact that the majority of Welsh Authorities are unrestricted makes one wonder why a person in Wales would want to license a hackney carriage in Berwick to use as a private hire vehicle in Wales when they can licenses a hackney carriage vehicle in Wales that allows them to ply for hire in Wales.

I don't think you realise how stupid your comments look in print? It would appear that just because you think the majority of the Taxi trade is as dim witted as yourself and your oppo at the GMB, that anything you say should be taken as gospel. Unfortunately for you the taxi trade is not so substandard that it can't determine between fact and fiction

I'm afraid you have some explaining to do because you told a blatant lie in a magazine which obviously didn't know any better. The fact that the Editor of that particular magazine is a complete ignoramus when it comes to Taxi licensing matters does not in any way shape or form absolve you from the fact that you lied. Whether you lied intentionally is another matter but if you didn't have the means to establish the true facts then you shouldn't have put that particular untruth in print.

Now just who is this person who is licensed in Berwick Yet works one of the Welsh counties?

We shouldn't have to wait long for your answer considering you have already informed everyone that this is what is happening.

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Should cabs licensed in one area work predominately in another? IMO a big fat no.


I think many people may share that opinion but at least you understand the reality of the situation.

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Does the law of the land allow such a thing? IMO a big fat yes.


And no sooner after voicing your opinion you instantly confront the reality of the issue at hand and that reality is probably the position held by many people including Berwick Council. The fact that Newcastle hold an opposite point of view and have a dislike for a law that allows vehicles licensed in one authority yet work as private hire in another is of little consequence because if they so desired they could challenge the legality in a court of law. The fact is that all councils like to use their financial muscle to crush the minnows in our society for their own political aims yet when it comes to taking on another licensing authority on an issue they may very likely lose then they are faced with an entirely different proposition.

I'm sure we are all delighted in watching Newcastle squirm over an issue that lies in their own hands yet they haven't got the balls to do anything about it. And that is precisely what I was alluding to when I wrote that particular article.

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As for the activities of said mag, it/they didn't know what they had until it was gone for good. :?


I suppose that is an understatement.

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Cabbies take 200-mile trip to evade fee


SAVING MONEY: Michael Dunn with one of the taxis that has been registered in Berwick, Northumberland

TAXI drivers are escaping hefty licensing fees in Darlington by making a 200-mile round-trip to Berwick.

Desperate cabbies are clocking up the miles to avoid what they describe as extortionate costs imposed by their council.

In what is becoming a regional trend, taxi drivers from built-up areas are heading to rural boroughs such as Berwick, Tynedale, Derwentside and Eden Valley to license their cars.

The cost to test and license a private hire taxi and driver in Darlington for a 12-month period is £529. In Berwick, it is £258.

As long as the taxi remains for private hire only, the law says the licence is transferable.

David Wilson, of Berwick Borough Council, confirmed the authority had licensed three Darlington taxis last week, and said he expected more.

He said: "Word is spreading. We are processing applications from all over the North and we are expecting an application from mid-Wales."

The Department for Transport said councils can set their own licensing fees, but said they must not make a profit.

Cabbies are baffled as to why licence fees vary so much.

Michael Dunn, a consultant for Station Taxis, in Darlington, who took the three cars to Berwick last week, said: "We did not want to go down this line, but we have been forced into it. It took 14 days for us to just get an appointment with Darlington Borough Council. We rang Berwick council the next day and by the following evening, we were driving back into Darlington with three licensed cars."

By taking its cars to Berwick, Station Taxis will save thousands of pounds.

A Darlington Borough Council spokesman said the Berwick fee was merely administrative, while their fee included an enforcement element, ensuring drivers and vehicles complied with stringent standards.

They include driving and medical tests for drivers, and extensive mechanical tests for taxis.

He said: "If the taxi is one that is registered in Berwick, both vehicle and driver have not been subjected to the same level of testing that is the case in Darlington. It could have a huge impact on public safety.

"We make sure the taxis are complying with first-class standards of public safety. Our fees are in line with most other local authorities.


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the dilusional JD wrote:
I think you better explain to all those reading TDO who Chris Chandler is because the majority of TDO readers won't have a clue who he is and whats more, that doesn't surprise me in the least.


But it is explained in your original post, in the initial quote ……………… surely your not suggesting that people cannot read?

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You might also wish to inform us precisely what Chris Chandler has to do with comments emanating from your mouth?


Perhaps you could explain what you mean by that as you seem to be attributing the statements of Mr Chandler to me.

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The comments were yours and not Chris Chandlers, therefore I turn to you to inform us who this mythical person is who finds it so convenient to license a vehicle in Berwick yet work in Wales? Especially when 99% of Welsh authorities are derestricted.


If you read the above post you will see why whether an area is restricted or not bears no significance …………… as much as you would like to think there is significance.

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You made the statement didn't you? Therefore we expect it to be true, we also expect that you know it be true and that it's not just a figment of your imagination.

The fact is that you now admit to the statement being based on nothing more than an unsubstantiated reference observed on the Berwick upon on Tweed website that shows a hackney carriage proprietor with an address in Wales.


Back in June, on the 1st of June to be precise, it was recorded that an application was pending from Mid-Wales, that statement was made by the LO of Berwick, and that licence has, according to the statutory register, since been granted.

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I suppose a hackney carriage owner with an address in Wales must mean that the driver of the vehicle also lives and works in Wales? Even if such an owner existed you have no way of knowing who drives the vehicle or where they work? The fact that the majority of Welsh Authorities are unrestricted makes one wonder why a person in Wales would want to license a hackney carriage in Berwick to use as a private hire vehicle in Wales when they can licenses a hackney carriage vehicle in Wales that allows them to ply for hire in Wales.


Its surprising how often the same mistake is made …………… but the same mistake is made again and again by the man who refuses to face the facts.

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I don't think you realise how stupid your comments look in print? It would appear that just because you think the majority of the Taxi trade is as dim witted as yourself and your oppo at the GMB, that anything you say should be taken as gospel. Unfortunately for you the taxi trade is not so substandard that it can't determine between fact and fiction


Suits me JD, btw I think that your comments look significantly more ludicrous than mine on this subject.
I’m also sure that the taxi trade will see that I’m stating fact and your trying to preach fiction, its just a pity that less than 1% of the taxi trade will read it on here.

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I'm afraid you have some explaining to do because you told a blatant lie in a magazine which obviously didn't know any better. The fact that the Editor of that particular magazine is a complete ignoramus when it comes to Taxi licensing matters does not in any way shape or form absolve you from the fact that you lied. Whether you lied intentionally is another matter but if you didn't have the means to establish the true facts then you shouldn't have put that particular untruth in print.


I only write for one magazine, or I should say have ever as I no longer do, and I can’t find the quotes to which you refer within my articles in that publication.

If my words have been quoted in another publication then that is different to me putting something in print, perhaps you should name the publication and the particular edition in which you claim I wrote and told what you consider to be a blatant lie.

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"We make sure the taxis are complying with first-class standards of public safety. Our fees are in line with most other local authorities.


Since when has Darlington been in South Wales?

Here's what you said.

Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.

So just where in South Wales have these Berwick upon Tweed plates been seen? I notice you applied the pural so we can assume you mean more than one?

Do we get an answer or are you going to do a classic Mick Pollard and pontificate your way through this sorry saga?

I would have thought the answer was pretty simple, You made a grandiose statement in a magazine proclaiming Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales. Either you have the evidence to back up your statement or its a lie.

I think we already know you haven't got the evidence to back up your claim otherwise you would have divulged it. The only thing that remains is to publicise the fact that the GMB man from the North told a deliberate lie in order to try and make a point.

Is this what you call the acceptable face of the GMBU and are you going to rectify the matter by publishing an opology to the readers of the Magazine in question?

Taking outside press clippings from the archives of TDO which were written by journalists whom over TDO has no control, is hardly a basis for proving your point. However you try to muddy the waters by introducing Darlington into the equation but the issue is not about Darlington its about your figment of imagination that South Wales cabbies are running around in vehicles licensed by Berwick upon tweed.

The sad part is that you were the one who made the claim in the first place and now you can't substantiate that claim.

Like I said, you made the claim therefore you should have no problem backing it up. I think I've made my point clear.

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David Wilson, of Berwick Borough Council, confirmed the authority had licensed three Darlington taxis last week, and said he expected more.

He said: "Word is spreading. We are processing applications from all over the North and we are expecting an application from mid-Wales."


Are you just trying to mis-quote a person with an opposing viewpoint again ................... just like you always do when your wrong.

Hows about offering me a level playing field within this debate JD ........... you know who I am.

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