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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:00 pm 
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Why should I pay more for a licence than a WAV,I have been in the trade for over 26 years had my Hackney Plate for 19 years, you guy's come in knowing that it's a WAV and start screaming about fairness.


Actually most of the screaming about fairness as you put it, has been done by the disabled for much longer than you have been in this trade.

Buses, trains, boats and planes, as well as most other businesses have to comply with the DDA. So will the taxi trade.
Why should you be any different?
Do you think McDonalds would get away with ignoring the DDA because the new BK along the road is accessible?
Do you think Woolworths could bodyswerve the rules by renting Boot's building instead of owning their own?
More importantly, why do you think it is fair for others to take care of your obligations under the DDA with no cost to you?

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If you know anything about our disabled community you will realise that these vehicles are not what's required across the board.

DDA is a good act, but able bodied people should not be discriminated against either, ask them which type of vehicle they would rather travel in?

The thing which saddens me is the fact that the majority of new operators who have to put on WAV's are not doing it for the disabled,most of these guy's have came into the trade with redundancy payments thinking the streets are paved with gold only to realise after the money is down that it is a hard way to earn a living.

I have no gripe with people trying to earn a living, what I do say is get on with it and stop trying to force others into financial madness as you have done.


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DDA is a good act, but able bodied people should not be discriminated against either, ask them which type of vehicle they would rather travel in?


But taxi drivers should not be discriminated against either, ask them what type of vehicle they would rather operate?

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The thing which saddens me is the fact that the majority of new operators who have to put on WAV's are not doing it for the disabled,most of these guy's have came into the trade with redundancy payments thinking the streets are paved with gold only to realise after the money is down that it is a hard way to earn a living.


The thing that saddens me is the fact that the saloon car operators are not doing it for the able-bodied or the partially disabled who can't use a WAV, they're doing it because they prefer to run a saloon. Period.


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Old Hack wrote:
If you know anything about our disabled community you will realise that these vehicles are not what's required across the board.


Agreed. They are still required however. What makes you think that providing them should be another driver's responsibility and not yours?

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DDA is a good act, but able bodied people should not be discriminated against either, ask them which type of vehicle they would rather travel in?


The DDA is about NEEDS and RIGHTS not PREFERENCES. I'm sure many able bodied people would prefer to be driven home by a chauffer driven Rolls Royce or limo for the same money. The disabled, I'm sure, would prefer not to be disabled. It doesn't mean it's going to happen.

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The thing which saddens me is the fact that the majority of new operators who have to put on WAV's are not doing it for the disabled,most of these guy's have came into the trade with redundancy payments thinking the streets are paved with gold only to realise after the money is down that it is a hard way to earn a living.


All of them have put on WAVs because they had no choice, unlike you.

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I have no gripe with people trying to earn a living, what I do say is get on with it and stop trying to force others into financial madness as you have done.


You mean you have no gripe with anyone trying to earn a living, so long as it costs them more than you to do it.

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Old Hack wrote:
Why should I pay more for a licence than a WAV,I have been in the trade for over 26 years had my Hackney Plate for 19 years, you guy's come in knowing that it's a WAV and start screaming about fairness.

Because treating everyone the same ain't really such a bad thing. :?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:59 pm 
Not to mention the real reason the young guns couldn't get a saloon plate......DAD'S ARMY... thought it better to hire them out, rather than hand them back and give the guys (including me) who spent 10 or more years on a waiting list, the chance to run a saloon !! and it's still happening ! so old hack...when you retire..hand it back !! :-$


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Gus old boy no need to get nasty, choice is a good word that you seem to like, so think about it and remember, you had a choice do I or do I not put on a WAV, as you know that is the rule, only WAV allowed!

Be honest, given the choice I'm sure you and all the rest who have on WAV's would have saloon's if allowed?


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Like you I served as a driver and wanted my own plate, only thing was I had to wait,not be offered the chance to put on a WAV like the young guns of today,also in my day when the operator died the plate went to his wife, so we had women in their 70's and 80's without driving licences let alone taxi badges becoming plate holders.As for hiring of plates this has always went on and always will, you should not point the finger at that but at the council who will not allow you the taxi operator to sell his business, after all her majesty's inland revenue tells you it's a business you have,so why can we not sell it as a going concern to all these YOUNG GUNS who when they decide to retire can then sell on to the next generation of YOUNG GUNS!!


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Old Hack wrote:
Gus old boy no need to get nasty, choice is a good word that you seem to like, so think about it and remember, you had a choice do I or do I not put on a WAV, as you know that is the rule, only WAV allowed!


WAV or p*ss off isn't much of a choice, unless you are a part of the "I'm alright Jack" brigade. We have plenty of them her as well.
How many years have you benefited at other drivers' expense?

Next you will be using your plate to top up your pension, also at your colleagues' expense.

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Be honest, given the choice I'm sure you and all the rest who have on WAV's would have saloon's if allowed?


Most would, I have no doubt.
You still haven't answered the question.
"What makes you think that providing them (WAVs) should be another driver's responsibility and not yours?"

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There is an Infinite amount of differing disabilties..no two people have the Exact same needs. so why should 100% of Vehicles bend to suit 20% of the population whilst Knowing that the Vehicle may only suit 10% of that 20%. This all being paid for by the Taxi Operator, this Happening at the same time as more and more Voluntary groups are putting specialised and Adapted Vehicles at the Disabled's Disposal, these Being paid for by Charity Fund Raising and at Prices private Operators could never afford. they also Use Volunteer Drivers at little cost.

so where is the Incentive for Taxi Operators to put suitable Vehicles on the Road while the Volunteer groups are Competing to take their work away from them thus rendering it unprofitable..Seems like the DDA and the Likes want Their Cake and to eat it.

If its going to be Feasable there should be Large Subsidies and Incentives Available to Every Operator, if not its Highly Discriminatory towards the Private Sector.


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Has Murray retired at last Old Hack ?? :roll: :roll:


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Dawg, who the hell is Murray?


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Dawg, who the hell is Murray?

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Like you I served as a driver and wanted my own plate, only thing was I had to wait,not be offered the chance to put on a WAV like the young guns of today,also in my day when the operator died the plate went to his wife, so we had women in their 70's and 80's without driving licences let alone taxi badges becoming plate holders.As for hiring of plates this has always went on and always will, you should not point the finger at that but at the council who will not allow you the taxi operator to sell his business, after all her majesty's inland revenue tells you it's a business you have,so why can we not sell it as a going concern to all these YOUNG GUNS who when they decide to retire can then sell on to the next generation of YOUNG GUNS!!


So if it's a business then why would Cowboy Jim be able to get the same for it as operators providing a 'first class service' (as 203020 advertises)?


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There we go again,Davy Young 203020 what has he got to do with us having the right to sell our business?

There is not one of you WAV's who if given the choice would rather have a saloon, as for guy's like me the only difference is we are older and got our plates before all this DDA came about,so why moan about us the reason you moan is beacuse we have what you want a saloon!!

Young Guns Go fot It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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