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wannabeeahack wrote:
"sorry love, cant pick up off the street, ring the office"

and its YOUR daughter...


That is the proper proceedure. but is it touting?

As for it being my daughter..........

Because her dad is a Hackney driver, she knows all the pit-falls about HC v PHV.

Unlike most young people, my sons & daughter know the difference, but more importantly they plan their journeys home after a night out before going out & do the sensible thing. They always flag or ring for a cab.

I only wish that the public at large were properly informed about the correct proceedures for hiring a PHV; there really should be no excuss in this day & age of mobile phones.

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wannabeeahack wrote:
was the original judge a hackney plated driver?.....lol


In Brum, we have one of our number sitting on the Magistrates Bench.

And as he has an 'interest' in these types of prosecutions, he cannot preside over them.

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ok, lets push the envelope...


my LA rules say "PH....all bookings must be pre-booked"

no time limit

so....(and you know what im about to say).....if he had said "ring the office", OR, even, "book me now, verbally, ill be back in 20 seconds,"......OR, "ring my office and book me (knowing his land his lines on divert to him in the vehicle", has he STILL broken the touting rule?


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
"sorry love, cant pick up off the street, ring the office"

and its YOUR daughter...


That is the proper proceedure. but is it touting?

As for it being my daughter..........

Because her dad is a Hackney driver, she knows all the pit-falls about HC v PHV.

Unlike most young people, my sons & daughter know the difference, but more importantly they plan their journeys home after a night out before going out & do the sensible thing. They always flag or ring for a cab.

I only wish that the public at large were properly informed about the correct proceedures for hiring a PHV; there really should be no excuss in this day & age of mobile phones.


not all vulnerable tipsy and afraid women have a encyclopedic knowledge of H&R carriage rules, and how many "cabs" carry district plates on the side and front? a hack flagged down out of his LA is not a hack, is he.....


its quite ironic that the headline states:-

Taxi driver banned after sting


1. it seems the whole case missed the point - hes NOT a taxi driver

2. is this entrapment?


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wannabeeahack wrote:
ok, lets push the envelope...


my LA rules say "PH....all bookings must be pre-booked"

no time limit

so....(and you know what im about to say).....if he had said "ring the office", OR, even, "book me now, verbally, ill be back in 20 seconds,"......OR, "ring my office and book me (knowing his land his lines on divert to him in the vehicle", has he STILL broken the touting rule?


I asked a Similar question...but it Seems the Hacknet fraternity have no answer. I wonder why. :wink:


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i have no axe to grind in the PH vs hack wars, ive been both, cars and minibuses, but a clear definition of "pre-booked" wouldnt hurt


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wannabeeahack wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
"sorry love, cant pick up off the street, ring the office"

and its YOUR daughter...


That is the proper proceedure. but is it touting?

As for it being my daughter..........

Because her dad is a Hackney driver, she knows all the pit-falls about HC v PHV.

Unlike most young people, my sons & daughter know the difference, but more importantly they plan their journeys home after a night out before going out & do the sensible thing. They always flag or ring for a cab.

I only wish that the public at large were properly informed about the correct proceedures for hiring a PHV; there really should be no excuss in this day & age of mobile phones.


not all vulnerable tipsy and afraid women have a encyclopedic knowledge of H&R carriage rules, and how many "cabs" carry district plates on the side and front? a hack flagged down out of his LA is not a hack, is he.....


its quite ironic that the headline states:-

Taxi driver banned after sting


1. it seems the whole case missed the point - hes NOT a taxi driver

2. is this entrapment?


It is not entrapment, it is a test purchase and long may they continue. I wish our council would do some of these test purchases in our town to sort out the hackney company that never turn the meter on so the punter will never know if the fare charged is no more than the council rate.

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i have no axe to grind in the PH vs hack wars, ive been both, cars and minibuses, but a clear definition of "pre-booked" wouldnt hurt


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wannabeeahack wrote:
1. it seems the whole case missed the point - hes NOT a taxi driver

As the saying goes;

'What's new, the PRESS ain't got a clue'!!!


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2. is this entrapment?

Somewhere in the not too distant past, I read that it only becomes entrapment if the perceived 'Entrapper' asks the PH driver more than just once to take the fare.

If the licensing officer, or whoever, ask just once & no more it is not entrapment.

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i have no axe to grind in the PH vs hack wars, ive been both, cars and minibuses, but a clear definition of "pre-booked" wouldnt hurt

Surely that has to mean by pre-booking directly with the office or person that holds the PH Operator's License.

Otherwise, what would be the point of having a PH Operator's Licence?

Wouldn't it be meaningless?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
1. it seems the whole case missed the point - hes NOT a taxi driver

As the saying goes;

'What's new, the PRESS ain't got a clue'!!!


wannabeeahack wrote:
2. is this entrapment?

Somewhere in the not too distant past, I read that it only becomes entrapment if the perceived 'Entrapper' asks the PH driver more than just once to take the fare.

If the licensing officer, or whoever, ask just once & no more it is not entrapment.


I think some people are missing the point... in the Test purchasers... the people who are asking you.... if you are for hire ... are not licensing officers.... they will almost certainly be employed by the council in a different department but have no specific knowledge relating to hackney of private hire rules.... they become just a witness....

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MR T wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
1. it seems the whole case missed the point - hes NOT a taxi driver

As the saying goes;

'What's new, the PRESS ain't got a clue'!!!


wannabeeahack wrote:
2. is this entrapment?

Somewhere in the not too distant past, I read that it only becomes entrapment if the perceived 'Entrapper' asks the PH driver more than just once to take the fare.

If the licensing officer, or whoever, ask just once & no more it is not entrapment.


I think some people are missing the point... in the Test purchasers... the people who are asking you.... if you are for hire ... are not licensing officers.... they will almost certainly be employed by the council in a different department but have no specific knowledge relating to hackney of private hire rules.... they become just a witness....


theyve been round today


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
i have no axe to grind in the PH vs hack wars, ive been both, cars and minibuses, but a clear definition of "pre-booked" wouldnt hurt

Surely that has to mean by pre-booking directly with the office or person that holds the PH Operator's License.

Otherwise, what would be the point of having a PH Operator's Licence?

Wouldn't it be meaningless?


so as the owner/driver/operator i can take a booking by diverted phone, or verbally, put it my book (on my lap) and pickup....cool


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[quote="wannabeeahack

tell me this then, what if...


a PH driver is in a street at 2am, a girl comes up to him and begs him to take her home, shes lost, upset, etc....

she lives 20 miles the wrong way too

hes the only "cab" (aka ph/taxi) to be seen in the unlit street

"sorry love, cant pick up off the street, ring the office"





and its YOUR daughter...[/img][/quote]

The facts of the case still show an offence has been committed. The defendant would plead, in mitigation, that the circumstances were special and he should be shown leniency. In your hypothesis, he would be entitled to feel most aggrieved if he was not discharged, albeit maybe conditionally.


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MR T wrote:
I think some people are missing the point... in the Test purchasers... the people who are asking you.... if you are for hire ... are not licensing officers.... they will almost certainly be employed by the council in a different department but have no specific knowledge relating to hackney of private hire rules.... they become just a witness....

I think the same applies, whoever is trying to get the PH driver to accept an illegal hiring.

If the licensing officer, or whoever, ask just once & NO MORE it is not entrapment.

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