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If you had bothered to read it correctly...... you would have seen that the intention was to leave single drivers alone..... no Hackney Association nationally would agree to restrict their members in such a way........ it is a bit obvious really.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

There lies the problem ................. driving taxis is not a job its a business.

The guy's heart attack was, it appears, to be down to excessive amounts of ProPlus and Red Bull over a long period as well as a poor diet and weight.

He is recovering well from what I hear and thankfully because of this illness it appears that some personal insurance will kick in ....................... what a way to get out of his financial predicament eh .............. lets just hope that if driving a taxi becomes so unviable for anyone they don't have to suffer a heart attack and rely on their insurances to get out of a proportion of their financial obligations.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

On a Friday or Saturday night the public have no choice.

They cannot get a HC without waiting in a queue and they cannot get a PH for an hour, and thats if the clerk actually answers the phone .............. and if they pre-book the only chance they have of the car being there is if the people who approach it while its waiting are potentially going to give the driver less money.

Through the week the public could choose the colour of the PH vehicle they want because there is so little work or have a HC each with many more waiting to take their shopping bags.

Following your reforms, with everyone becoming a HC, the city centres would have reduced queues but it would be impossible to get a "taxi" in the towns and villages currently serviced by PH.

Public choice is about extending the range of services on offer NOT reducing them.

Your ideas of reform extend far beyond single tier licensing and mirror exactly those of a prominant persuer of legislationery change.

If everything I write on here is a lie then why don't you respond to the other statements I make on here, choosing to pick on things that are not provable on a website where anonymity is respected and preserved.

Hows Sussex getting on with his day man and night man, and is he enjoying himself on a Sunday when he drives his cab himself ......................... or is what I have just said a lie???????????????

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

quote="MR T"]

I said missed the point............ I think you've lost the plot[/quote]


Poor old MR T....typically showing the Symptoms of Intolerance brought about through Ignorance, its the Usual single theme obsessives view that if its not his own view its no view at all.

I fear you may have contracted Myxomatosis from some of those poor old sussex rabbits you shoot, this in turn has caused your eyes to swell and applied excess Pressure to the Tolerance and Understanding Nerves within your Brain. Id lay off the Bunnys for a while...might be best for you and them.

Well that just shows how stupid you are because you don't even understand what's being advocated. How the hell can cab drivers rely on people like you to look after their best interests when you haven't got a clue what your proposing?
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Proposed Amendment

Section (d)

(d) No **person** shall in a controlled district operate any vehicle including a hackney carriage as a private hire vehicle without having a current licence under section 55 of this Act issued by the council of the **area** in which the operator is based.
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Proposed Amendment

Section (e)

(e) No **person** licensed by a council under the said section 55 shall in a controlled district **operate** any vehicle as a private hire vehicle unless -

(i) That vehicle is also **licensed by that council** under section 48 of the act of 1976; or

(ii) That **vehicle** is also licensed by that council as a **hackney carriage** under the act of 1847; and

(iii) The **driver** of the vehicle has a current drivers license issued by that council under the provisions of the act of 1976 or the act of 1847 as is appropriate to the type of vehicle.
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Proposed Amendment

"Operate”, means in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle or hackney carriage save for any occasions where the driver of a hackney carriage whilst within their own district, accepts a booking for a future date.
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Proposal 7 – Definition Operate

This proposal is meant to have the affect of making any person taking bookings for a number of vehicles either hackney or private hire, having to be licensed as an operator. It is also meant to exclude from the statutory definition an occasion where an individual hackney driver plying or standing for within their own area accepts a booking for a future event and which booking **starts or finishes** within their own district.
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It really makes my blood boil when people like you blatantly try to pull the wool over cab drivers eyes by deliberately misleading them.

Those proposals which you obviously don't understand say that any driver who accepts a booking other than while standing or plying for hire in their licensed area*requires an Operators license*. Do you understand that numskull? It also says that any driver in the UK cannot accept a mobile phone booking whilst in any area of England and Wales. It also means every hackney carriage driver will need an operators license to take booking at home or anywhere else for that matter, except when they are actually plying for hire in their cab. However they can't accept mobile phone bookings in their cab because that will be an offence. It will also be illegal for a hackney cab driver whilst standing and plying for hire to take a booking for a person in Blackpool travelling to London. Systems such as taxi call will be dead in the water and you have just made criminals of every hackney cab driver in the country.

That's how much of an idiot you are.

Now after calling you an idiot for not understanding what these proposals mean perhaps you can tell us why we hackney cab drivers *NEED* these proposals and how they will benefit us? Either you or any of your motley crew can step onto the plate and explain away these crazy restrictive proposals but I'll tell you something for nothing, "I doubt any of you have the balls or intelligence to do so".

Regards

JD

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Why not just adopt the Scottish system, you can except a mobile call in your HC or PH if you apply for a HC licence the PH is included same as drivers badges

Is this the point where we all start banging our heads against the wall?

Regardless of the description you wish to place on someone driving a cab the fact remains that whether or not you describe it as a business or a job if it is not working then the logical step is to find something that does work.

I think at the age of 30 there would be plenty of job opportunities available to him, however it just goes to show that perhaps he didn't do his homework before he purchased a vehicle and became a cab driver. There are thousands like him and that's why many people say this game is now well and truly ******.

I suppose after his heart attack he will be looking for work that is less stressful and more remunerative.

Regards

JD

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Seems to me that this is an attempt to end the "Berwick" situation, as well as the Delta situation on Merseyside.
In theory, it would do that. In practice you would still need to get the authorities to enforce the new amendments. Most won't enforce rules and laws that already exist. Why should the new ones be any different?

There is also the danger that you could be throwing the baby out with the bath water here..........

This wouldn't affect us in Scotland, so this is an outsider's view.

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Id not get to Excited Skippy...check this Link

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lates ... 4186310.jp

looks like soon we all might need Operator Booking Offices just like our english compadres...thats me Feched unless there is an exemption on size of operation.

You seem to be confusing choice with availability? Choice is about choosing that which you desire to travel in and availability is a different animal altogether. Which is it, "Choice" or "Availability"?

I was under the impression the public had a choice of hackney carriage, private hire, bus, tram, train rickshaw, etc etc etc. However your reference was not about the current situation, it was about having no choice under a "one tier" system. I don't think the readers are interested in what transpires today because they already live and work in that environment. I assume they would like to read your opinion in respect of choice and not as I have already indicated, "Availability".



So you have conveniently given your opinion on what you think happens under the current system but what do you perceive will happen under a one tier system? The point is that your "choice" of words leaves us all a little stumped as to what you actually mean by "choice"?

Currently there are two ways of hiring a vehicle one is by making a contract on the street and the other is by way of a private booking.

Under a one tier system that is not going to change but obviously you think it is and you label it as deprivation of "choice".

If nothing actually changes then where does that leave your argument? Perhaps the word "redundant" is most apt but someone may yet throw you a lifeline and intercede on your behalf and explain why "choice" will be removed under a one tier system?

Regards

JD

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What a clown you really are ....................

If you have a job you get stuff like National Minimum Wage, Holiday Pay, Sickness pay and you don't have to buy anything in order to do your job .............. if it ain't supplied by the company then you don't need it.

With a business you need to supply the tools required to do the job and the financial investement is dependant on the tools you need.

If you leave a job you leave the tools and everything else supplied to you.

If you leave a business you need to sell the tools you needed to provide the services or keep them for your own use.

I need go no further into the reasons why this is impossible to many people and indeed I would guess the majority of the people wishing to get out of the trade ................... but the fact remains that they simply cannot afford to.

Anything else we are unclear on ? ?

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Thats a good one. How many garage mechanics do you know that have their tools supplied by the company?

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Grandad,

That is precisely what it is aimed at but having hit the nail on the head perhaps you can explain away the benefits if any to hackney carriage drivers after taking into consideration all the restrictive changes these proposals bring?



The point is not about enforcement, it is about the fact that these proposals once on the statute will make criminals out of cab drivers who at this moment in time can exercise their right to legitimately partake of the freedom of movement.



There is no danger, it will definitely happen.



Oh yes it would because anyone from Scotland would not be allowed to take a mobile phone booking while travelling in England or Wales. The exception to that of course would be if you received the booking from an operator within Scotland.

Regards

JD

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Not for me to explain them away, I'll leave that to those who support them.
The Berwick and Delta situations would already be illegal if they were happening here.
The benefits to HC drivers? For most there would be no benefit at all, just more restrictions. IMHO
In a few places, more work from the area they are paying to be licensed in. Not watching that work disappear to vehicles and drivers which have been licensed under lower quality control standards.



Not about enforcement yet.
If these proposals ever become law then you would have the situation we have here where these activities would be illegal but nothing would be done about it.
What I'm trying to say is that anyone who believes this would stop the Berwick or Delta scenarios is deluding themselves. The LAs and police will just tell you it's low priority or it's unenforceable.



Agreed



Ok, I'll amend that. In 12 years I've had 2 jobs that took me south of the border (It's a long way from Aberdeen, lol). The chances of picking up a local job while there were around nil and even if I wanted one, the 1982 act requires me to return to my licenced area on completion of the hire, unless I already have another hire to go to.
So these amendments would have very little, if any effect on me.

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