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The fact remains that legislation for the PH side of the trade is in massive need of review ................. so why not adopt legislation that has recently been written and takes into account modern technology?


You keep harping on about the London private hire act which is practically a replica of the 1976 act, except for one or two sections including the prohibition of taxi meters so what's in it that makes it is so important in your eyes?

One assumes that under new legislation there wouldn't be a private hire act, only a taxi act and one also assumes under new legislation that the clause allowing large bus companies to operate small vehicles will most certainly be clarified or removed. Does the London private hire act facilitate that?

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as it seems to me that your calls for up to date legislation mean more than just a new Act.


Most people would think that"up to date legislation" and a "new act" are one and the same, I don't see the point in having outdated practices and outdated legislation in a new act, do you?

New legislation normally remedies the failings of the past, it takes account of modern trends and practices brought about by technological change but one thing is certain, modern legislation does not have a habit of dwelling in the past, unless the past is relevant?

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The fact remains that legislation for the PH side of the trade is in massive need of review ................. so why not adopt legislation that has recently been written and takes into account modern technology?


You keep harping on about the London private hire act which is practically a replica of the 1976 act, except for one or two sections including the prohibition of taxi meters so what's in it that makes it is so important in your eyes?


I think that anyone who thinks the current legislation is workable and acceptable is a complete nutter. However, the main part of legislation that causes confusion is not the 1976 Act but the case law that shows the acts shortcomings.
The London PH Act may well have its basis in the 1976 Act but the ammendments identify more modern technology and working practices than the prohibition of taxi meters. For what its worth I think PH should have meters, but isn't it easier to ammend a couple of items within an Act than it is to impliment a new one.

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One assumes that under new legislation there wouldn't be a private hire act, only a taxi act and one also assumes under new legislation that the clause allowing large bus companies to operate small vehicles will most certainly be clarified or removed. Does the London private hire act facilitate that?

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I think it is you that assumes that a new Act would apply to a single tier licensing structure ........... it is not a foregone conclusion.

Opposition to such a suggestion will come from many organisations and will delay any provisional consultation to a point where to much time in parliament would be needed to pass your suggestions as law.

Large bus companies are alowed under current PCV legislation to operate vehicles of 9 or less seats BUT only if it constitutes a small percentage of their total business. Anyone believing that an operator is not complying with this should report the matter to the TC.
I would also suggest that the intention of the legislation is that the vehicles can be used but must still be driven by holders of a PCV licence.

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as it seems to me that your calls for up to date legislation mean more than just a new Act.


Most people would think that"up to date legislation" and a "new act" are one and the same, I don't see the point in having outdated practices and outdated legislation in a new act, do you?

New legislation normally remedies the failings of the past, it takes account of modern trends and practices brought about by technological change but one thing is certain, modern legislation does not have a habit of dwelling in the past, unless the past is relevant?

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JD .............. I want to see the legislation changed from the mismatched confusing garbage it is currently.

But the most important part of that sentance is that I WANT TO SEE it.

The T&G have argued for a new "cab act" for years .......... without success. What makes you think that your suggestions will be acted upon any quicker than the calls from one of the countries biggest unions.

The fact remains that the legislation needs to be changed quickly, or as quickly as possible.

I don't believe that what you are calling for is legislationary change ............. what your calling for is a total re-think of the provision of public transport services, and I don't believe that, if it is possible, that it could be concluded within my lifetime.

The change in legislation needs to be introduced quickly ............... and the rolling out of the London PH Act (with ammendments if neccessary) will occur much quicker ............................ meaning the trade will benefit from the changes sooner.

This whole argument is about achieving a single tier of licensing for you ................. for me its about introducing legislation which is relevant to todays working practices.

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On a personal level .............. if you think I'm a tit then why did you not call me one to my face while you were driving me down to Brighton ............. I'll tell you why ................ cause your a real big man when your behind a keyboard but your balls disappear when its in your face ................ I won't disclose your identity to anyone, but rest assured I will not put up for a second you calling me names like that for no reason.

You are acting like a tit and should grow up.

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Now, instead of answering questions with questions tell me WHY we should be discounting the London Act ..................... as it seems to me that your calls for up to date legislation mean more than just a new Act.

I'm not discounting anything, just waiting for you to tell me what's so good about the 1997 act other than a few, as you say, references.

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Am I the Only one that cant follow this spat??


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Its OK they cannot hold a debate so raise MORE questions instead of responding to points raised.

Its a trait of the admin/owners of this site.

You'll get used to it.

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Now, instead of answering questions with questions tell me WHY we should be discounting the London Act ..................... as it seems to me that your calls for up to date legislation mean more than just a new Act.

I'm not discounting anything, just waiting for you to tell me what's so good about the 1997 act other than a few, as you say, references.


Its up to date legislation which takes into account modern technology and working practices.

How many more times will you ask the same question in a different way?

I must tell you that your the boys who want to change the whole world, I just want to see up to date legislation introduced as soon as proper consultation has been held.

Maybe the principle will be discussed by the people who seek action on issues (MOM) instead of by people who just like to talk about it (TDO).

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Its OK they cannot hold a debate so raise MORE questions instead of responding to points raised.

Its a trait of the admin/owners of this site.

You'll get used to it.

B. Lucky :D


somedbody owns it?.....poor sods :cry:


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Its up to date legislation which takes into account modern technology and working practices.


Up to date with what?

Haven't you yet noticed that it is exactly the same as the 1976 act, except for the backward logic of not allowing London private hire vehicles to have meters. Is that what you call up to date legislation?

You've continually harped on about this London private hire act but when push comes to shove you can't tell us why. All you can say is that the legislation is up to date. We are all waiting in anticipation for you to tell us the different between the up to date 1976 act and the London private hire act.

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How many more times will you ask the same question in a different way?


I suppose he'll keep asking the question until you give an answer. I'm afraid a generalisation that the legislation is up to date just won't cut it, simply because Mr Sussex knows that it is no different than the 1976 act. Therefore if the London private hire act is up to date, then so is the 1976 act.

I guess asking you to highlight the differences between the two acts is a bridge too far, which is quite surprising for a knowledgeable gentleman such as yourself?

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I think that anyone who thinks the current legislation is workable and acceptable is a complete nutter.


lol has the penny dropped?

I rest my case

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Its OK they cannot hold a debate so raise MORE questions instead of responding to points raised.

Its a trait of the admin/owners of this site.

You'll get used to it.

B. Lucky :D


somedbody owns it?.....poor sods :cry:


Bloodnock, no one twists your arm to post on this website, if you have such a low opinion of it then I'm sure the rest of us are wondering why you do? You can always exercise your right of freedom of movement by taking your well grounded wisdom elsewhere, assuming you feel that this site isn't worthy of your intellect?

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£5000 for a FREE licence.


None of us get this £5000 business, is this something you dreamed up?

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SO where is the response to my question, I'll put it another way just in case you don't understand the other.

1. Do the TC have a policy of requiring DAILY VEHICLE CHECK RECORDS, 3 MONTHLY VEHICLE TESTING (ON SOME VEHICLES), VEHICLE SERVICE HISTORY RECORDS, REGULATED DRIVER HOURS and SPEED RESTRICTORS?


lol pray tell what has the Traffic Commissioner got to do with taxi licensing? And if they did what makes you think taxis will be subservient to bus legislation? I think you will find the TC has no policies, it only administers statutory legislation, do you understand that?

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2. Is it usual for a agency such as the TC to impliment policies to all the services they are responsible for?


I'm afraid the TC doesn't implement policies, it administers statutory legislation. Do you know the difference?

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any chance of these being answered as you suggest you actually do answer questions.


I just did.

Do you now feel rather foolish?

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