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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:12 am 
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I don't pick on any differences, you are quite at liberty to shower us with all these wonderful solutions you have discovered in the London Private hire act that are going to solve all the problems contained in outdated hackney carriage legislation. You have the floor, why not use it?
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The London Private Hire Act ........................... go back and read it again ............... The London Private Hire Act ................ thats PRIAVTE HIRE ACT.

Tell me JD ................ the 1976 Act has been questioned in court how many times?

and how many of those times were in relation to the operation of PH services?

and how many times were by PH operators?

and finally how many times by a HC owner driver?

I think its clear (although I don't expect people to agree) that the biggest problem with the legislation that governs our industry is the 1976 Act ...................... NOT THE 1847 Act.

I would suggest (again I don't expect support) that if the 1976 Act was replaced with new legislation, (and I suggest the London PH Act based on the fact that it is the most recent and existant, taking into account modern working practices) that the majority of confusion would be settled. I stand by my statement that the basic operation of a Hackney Carriage has not changed since 1847 ............... the problem is cause by the changes of PH operations since 1976.

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I think most people are in favour of getting rid of councillors as regulators after all, why do we need them?


Isn't the above statement at odds with the opinion of Mr T? He seems to think it is only me who sees councillors as a blight on taxi drivers? I'm heartened to see you feel the same way as me and not that of Mr T who it appears is somewhat guided by his pocket.

Do you think that Mr T, like LTI, would survive in an open market?

You don't need to register your answer, I think we already know.

Any chance we might see the advantages of this "London Private hire legislation" you keep carping on about?

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Can'r remember making that statement ............... was it not edited or cut short by yourself.

Although you can put anything in a quote box and attribute it to anyone.

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That GA is a top bloke and I really shouldn't try and argue with him as he shows that I couldn't give a flying F**K about the cab trade other than trying to sell more copies of my book"


see what I mean.

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Is it legal for a PH firm to pass work onto another PH firm outside of London ................... because it is in London.

But that wouldn't change with a new act unless you also changed your much favoured London act.

Same for Scotland and Plymouth.

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The only reason you don't want to see the London Act introduced is because its an Act for PH ..................... and you don't like PH do you.

Well I like PH, and have done for the last 20 years, and will do for the next 20+ years, and I think you are talking rubbish and wasting your time on a pointless crusade on changing something that needs changing to something that almost mirrors it. :?

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Is it legal for a PH firm to pass work onto another PH firm outside of London ................... because it is in London.

But that wouldn't change with a new act unless you also changed your much favoured London act.

Same for Scotland and Plymouth.


Sussex me auld fruit ................. it was pointed out that the only differance between the 1976 Act and the London Act was that PH cars shouldn't have meters fitted.

My response to that suggestion, made by the collective known as JD, was simply mean't to show there are many differances.

Scotland and Plymouth will decide for themselves.

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The only reason you don't want to see the London Act introduced is because its an Act for PH ..................... and you don't like PH do you.

Well I like PH, and have done for the last 20 years, and will do for the next 20+ years, and I think you are talking rubbish and wasting your time on a pointless crusade on changing something that needs changing to something that almost mirrors it. :?


My response was to the person who wrote the garbage that PH are not part of the public transport system ............. I doubt that you logged on as JD and made that statement as you logged on as Sussex to respond.

Iam undertaking no crusade .............. like you I'm not in a position to do so .............. I'm just suggesting that because legislation needs to be changed so urgently why don't we adopt the LPH.

Now you can say its the same as the 1976 Act even though I believe it isn't, but by your word you expect people to believe you or more importatly it seems dis-believe me.

The Act is written and in force ....................... so why don't you detail why its such a bad Act instead of trying to get me to show why its such a good act.

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It makes sense... to allow private hire companies to transfer their bookings...... obviously it could make it easier for the large companies to expand.... I suppose that is why small companies are panicking... :cry: :cry:

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GA wrote:
My response to that suggestion, made by the collective known as JD, was simply mean't to show there are many differances.

Look, both the 1976 act and the 1997 act are written almost in tandem.

Both acts allow councils to do what they want, in relation to conditions for drivers, vehicles and operators.

The only difference is what each council/authority choose to make different. Now you may be happy for the likes of Berwick and Newcastle to have completely different policies.

I'm not.

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My response was to the person who wrote the garbage that PH are not part of the public transport system ............. I doubt that you logged on as JD and made that statement as you logged on as Sussex to respond.

I couldn't care less what you doubt, but I can answer any post I want, and my point is that as a PH driver for 20 years my opinion is you are talking rubbish.

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I'm just suggesting that because legislation needs to be changed so urgently why don't we adopt the LPH.

Because it's no different to what we have got.

If we did change to an act like the 1997 act we would still have the problems of different councils doing different things.

The London act only gets around that problem because there is only one London.

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It makes sense... to allow private hire companies to transfer their bookings...... obviously it could make it easier for the large companies to expand.... I suppose that is why small companies are panicking... :cry: :cry:

I think it only makes sense to those at the top of the tree, and as far as I'm concerned they can go and f*** themselves.

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Wow I've just tried to get up to speed with this debate and my heads spinnin.........

Can somebody tell me do the London PH have to do a knowledge test like the Hackneys have to and why aren't they allowed meters in the car

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Can somebody tell me do the London PH have to do a knowledge test like the Hackneys have to and why aren't they allowed meters in the car

No they don't, but then again there is no statute law which says any UK taxi or private hire driver need do a knowledge.

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I think all taxi drivers should do a knowledge test for whatever area they are in and the knowledge test should be the same regardless which system you choose work.......... then if anything changes within the law and legs everybody is at the same speed. I've done a knowledge test before I became a PH and I can also swap my badge for a HC if I want to but my fella can't because he never did the knowledge test so if he wants to swap over he has to sit the knowledge which sounds fair to me.

Can somebody also explain to me why HC's insist on being able to cover PH work. Where I am the HC's will work the PH system until 12midnight then stuff it off having taken the cream of the work in the evening then taking the cream of the work at home time so to speak off the roads. This is why I feel they don't want a single tier system because we could all do what they do and the competition will be much tougher

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toots wrote:
I think all taxi drivers should do a knowledge test for whatever area they are in and the knowledge test should be the same regardless which system you choose work.......... then if anything changes within the law and legs everybody is at the same speed. I've done a knowledge test before I became a PH and I can also swap my badge for a HC if I want to but my fella can't because he never did the knowledge test so if he wants to swap over he has to sit the knowledge which sounds fair to me.

I fully agree. I mean FFS is it asking too much for a driver being paid to take folks from A to B to have a good idea of where he is going?

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