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Can somebody also explain to me why HC's insist on being able to cover PH work.

Because they can.

Also in many areas HC are infact PH with a license to ply. :wink:

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Can somebody also explain to me why HC's insist on being able to cover PH work.

Because they can.

Also in many areas HC are infact PH with a license to ply. :wink:


Is that not a single tier working in practice then and if it is why all the fuss now about a change that is already practised in some boroughs

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Is that not a single tier working in practice then and if it is why all the fuss now about a change that is already practised in some boroughs

In many areas there is no limit on the number of taxis, and if the criteria for driver's licenses are the same, and the vehicle policy is to allow saloon taxis, then there's not really much point in licensing as a PH.

However in areas with taxi limits, or with WAV requirements for taxis, or areas with no PH knowledge, then some drivers will still decide to go down the PH route.

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It makes sense... to allow private hire companies to transfer their bookings...... obviously it could make it easier for the large companies to expand.... I suppose that is why small companies are panicking... :cry: :cry:

I think it only makes sense to those at the top of the tree, and as far as I'm concerned they can go and f*** themselves.


Now.. now.. Mr Sussex.... are you not the one that argues for the free and open market..... or is that just an argument for when it suits you... :shock:
one thing is for certain in any new Act it will be included 8)

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Now.. now.. Mr Sussex.... are you not the one that argues for the free and open market..... or is that just an argument for when it suits you... :shock:
one thing is for certain in any new Act it will be included 8)

Well saying I want a free and open market implies I don't want any standards for drivers/vehicles/operators.

Which ain't true.

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Now.. now.. Mr Sussex.... are you not the one that argues for the free and open market..... or is that just an argument for when it suits you... :shock:
one thing is for certain in any new Act it will be included 8)

Well saying I want a free and open market implies I don't want any standards for drivers/vehicles/operators.

Which ain't true.


Don't try and confuse the issue. being able to transfer work from one company to another..... is not about standards.... either company will already have standards

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PS.... I'm not pushing for a new act... I'm on the side of the small company :lol: :lol:

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Don't try and confuse the issue. being able to transfer work from one company to another..... is not about standards.... either company will already have standards

The thing is having a national ops license will encourage certain operator to search the country for the easiest way to get drivers licensed and/or the weakest standards for vehicles.

So standards will drop.

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PS.... I'm not pushing for a new act... I'm on the side of the small company :lol: :lol:

I'm well aware of that. :wink:

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where did I put my headache tablets??


Is exactly what the polititian who undertakes to review taxi legislation and comply a new Act will say within the first week.

Imagine him getting little old Sussex boy in there suggesting the best way to sort it out would be to raise standards of entry for drivers and vehicles, have only one licence which allows a driver to ply for hire anywhere in the licensing area, to take control away from councils and put it in the hands of a new national governing body and make everything free to the driver but more expensive to the majority of customers .................... imagine him explaining how he thinks thats whats best for the taxi driver and the public.

Then imagine the NTA, NPHA, NATLEO and NPHA going in suggesting something differently, probably to each other but more likely against little old Sussex boys suggestions.

Finally imagine the Disability groups going in with other consumer groups insisting that they should be the mopst important factor and that they should prioritise their needs.

Then think again about the poor people who have got to balance everything everyone has said ........................ and because they cannot answer the statement will read - "WE BELIEVE THAT COUNCILS ARE BEST PLACED TO DECIDE THESE ISSUES LOCALLY".

In the end chaps ................... that is the likley reality of the whole undertaking.

Time well spent.

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the argument on here shows that some must stray into different topics in order to try and win an argument.

B. Lucky :D

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A number of years ago, Stephen Norris the then Tory transport minister, who managed to get a new Transport Act to the stages of a Green Paper, said to me, that he had never wanted to pick up this poisoned chalice.

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A number of years ago, Stephen Norris the then Tory transport minister, who managed to get a new Transport Act to the stages of a Green Paper, said to me, that he had never wanted to pick up this poisoned chalice.


I wonder ............... remembering that the Institute of Licensing seems to be made up of Licensing Officers ................ whether they will risk their jobs with the local authority by backing Sussex and the others who make up JD in their quest to remove PH from existance and also remove the power from the same local authorities.

Or do these people believe that in a "new" licensing structure they could demand more money ..................... if that is the case then I believe they will also seek to do less for that money.

Sorry like ....................... but the more this goes on the more I feel we are been taken on a ride by some ................... and the purpose of that ride is for them to secure their futures .................... on the back of the good old PH and HC drivers AGAIN.

Hanging would be to good for these cretins.

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GA. first you have to play with people's minds..... when I say people I mean the Taxi and private hire trade...... you have to convince them that there is a need for a new act..... instead of just fixing the bits that are slightly bent....... brainwashing..... :cry:


Being sceptical.... I might say.... what better way than a taxi forum... :lol:

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