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I think maybe.... . because of the new people that are attending..... it would be better at the start to clarify the reason that they are there.... and clarify the way it works.... in a foolproof fashion.... and no this is not directed at BB. :lol:

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Wednesday 10.30 am..13.8.08...Next Meeting.. :wink:

So will a certain person be bringing proposals at about 10.29am and wanting everyone to sign up to national ops licenses? [-(


I do not know if JD will be attending :lol: :lol:

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Wednesday 10.30 am..13.8.08...Next Meeting.. :wink:

So will a certain person be bringing proposals at about 10.29am and wanting everyone to sign up to national ops licenses? [-(


I do not know if JD will be attending :lol: :lol:


For you information JD won't be attending but I would have thought the most logical course for your mindless group to take would be to postpone events until after the high court skirmish in September.

After all, isn't that what these changes are all about?

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We warned the DFT of the duplicity of the National Taxi Ass


Perhaps he had in mind the Carlisle Branch of the NTA who actively discriminated against fellow cab drivers by proposing the continuance of their exclusion from the busiest cab rank in town?

I don't suppose you could call that racist but at least it fits neatly into the category of discrimination.

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I think maybe.... . because of the new people that are attending


Never mind the new, what about the old? Did the London contingent see through your little slight of hand and vote with their feet? Did they say they wanted no part of your idiotic proposals?

I suppose no one can blame them for voting with their feet but if these proposals are so good for the cab trade and far from contentious then why did the London cab trade dismiss them out of hand?

Did you really expect London to swallow your waffle and for them to put your crazy proposals to London cab drivers? Perhaps you haven't yet given up on the prospect of London taxi drivers becoming private hire drivers in all but name but it begs the question if London think your proposals are crazy then what will the rest of the UK hackney trade think?

What was it London cabbies didn't like in your proposals? Perhaps we should ask them but considering they never came back I don't think we really need to. I think we can probably imagine what was going through their head.

Not to take all this for granted I'm sure you have a different opinion of London's no-show, so tell us, when can we expect the London cab trade to embrace your crazy ideas?

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Don't be shy J D..... the meeting is only around the corner from you ..... you can wear a bin bag... with little holes for your eye's ...... and tell everybody where they going wrong... :lol: :lol:

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We warned the DFT of the duplicity of the National Taxi Ass


Perhaps he had in mind the Carlisle Branch of the NTA who actively discriminated against fellow cab drivers by proposing the continuance of their exclusion from the busiest cab rank in town?

I don't suppose you could call that racist but at least it fits neatly into the category of discrimination.

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In one place you disagree with this yet in another you recommend it.

It should be clarified that the situation in Carlisle was about WAV's only using the station rank.

It appears that in a single tier licensing structure, that you promote, incentives to drivers to buy WAV's will be in the form of exclusive use of certain ranks.

But never mind eh.

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In one place you disagree with this yet in another you recommend it.

It should be clarified that the situation in Carlisle was about WAV's only using the station rank.

It appears that in a single tier licensing structure, that you promote, incentives to drivers to buy WAV's will be in the form of exclusive use of certain ranks.


I suppose you are referring to the Institute of Licensing Taxi Reform Conference? It appears to me that those particular points were merely up for discussion.

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In one place you disagree with this yet in another you recommend it.

It should be clarified that the situation in Carlisle was about WAV's only using the station rank.

It appears that in a single tier licensing structure, that you promote, incentives to drivers to buy WAV's will be in the form of exclusive use of certain ranks.


I suppose you are referring to the Institute of Licensing Taxi Reform Conference? It appears to me that those particular points were merely up for discussion.

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Ahhhh I see .................. so a group that you (lets say :wink: ) agree with can hold discussions about the future of the trade but everything discussed is "merely up for discussion" .................. yet when a group that you don't agree with do the same they are forming policies behind the trades back.

Seems to me that your confused between your ar$e and your elbow.

Strange that.

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GA wrote:
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In one place you disagree with this yet in another you recommend it.

It should be clarified that the situation in Carlisle was about WAV's only using the station rank.

It appears that in a single tier licensing structure, that you promote, incentives to drivers to buy WAV's will be in the form of exclusive use of certain ranks.


I suppose you are referring to the Institute of Licensing Taxi Reform Conference? It appears to me that those particular points were merely up for discussion.

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JD


Ahhhh I see


lol I'm afraid I would have to disagree with you on that score. I think you are as blind as ever you were judging by this nonsense.

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so a group that you (lets say :wink: ) agree with can hold discussions about the future of the trade


I'm sure that many people hold discussions about the trade just as we do on TDO but since when have I ever said I agree with this particular group or any other group if it comes to that? I only agree with my own position and if anyone else is of the same opinion then so be it.

I made no other observation regarding this document other than to state that it appears to me to be a document for discussion. That was in response to your unfounded and nonsensical allegation accusing me of "promoting, incentives to drivers to buy WAV's".

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but everything discussed is "merely up for discussion"


That was my observation but I obviously cannot speak for the IOL who no doubt have their own opinions regarding the status of the document.

They obviously seek varied opinions otherwise they wouldn't have solicited the views of others by way of a questionnaire.

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yet when a group that you don't agree with do the same they are forming policies behind the trades back.


The subtle difference in the IOL's approach and that of this meeting of minds bunch is that the IOL are only proposing a new act but what this crazy mindless bunch are trying to do is actively amend specific legislation that will adversely impact on every hackney carriage driver to their detriment.

Now if this unelected ad hoc bunch of extremists want to tell UK cab drivers why it is important for them to have these legislative changes then they can follow the lead of the IOL and set out their reasons step by step and in public.

We all know that is not going to happen, certainly not from them because they want to try and slip these changes through the back door. If it wasn't for TDO this bunch wouldn't be under the spotlight.

That is why they tried to create an air of respectability by proclaiming they represent the UK taxi trade, when in effect they represent no one but themselves.

In all my enquiries on this issue I have yet to come across one cab driver belonging to any of these so called organisations that supposedly gave their blessing for this gathering to take place. It appears none of them had mandate from their minority membership and that the minority membership weren't even consulted.

It transpires that these guys didn't have a mandate to even enter into discussions never mind alter legislation to the detriment of Taxi drivers. It is therefore no wonder that the London contingent decided they wanted no part of these shenanigans.

However, considering you support this "mindless bunch" I'll give you the opportunity to tell all us cab drivers why we need these idiotic changes and what cab drivers will gain and what they will lose once they are implemented?

It is commonly accepted that you have a rather large mouth out of which comes very little in the way of substance but you now have the opportunity go one step further than the mindless and tell us what they are afraid to tell us and that is "what these changes mean to hackney carriage drivers"?

I will put my money where my mouth is and confidently predict that your mouth will either stay historically closed or it will spew out a diatribe of inaccurate and untrue nonsense, as per usual.

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JD... every time I read your posts they make me smile................ in fact.... I roar with laughter..... you're obviously well out of your comfort zone........ I will let you into a little secret..... well it's not really a secret..... because a great many people representing different areas belonging to the NTA were present... these people are called representatives, they represent drivers in different areas..... Two years ago at the NTA General Meeting they were asked to vote regarding working with different associations and unions.... and guess what..... they unanimously agreed...... I would suggest you have very little or no knowledge of what is happening .... because you belong to nothing except yourself.

ps... you keep referring to the London contingent..... prey tell all..... who are they.

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J D . I was asked a question a few days ago by a person who has a strong involvement in criminal activities.... he asked me.. if it was true that he could start a hackney radio circuit and not need to be licensed.... he also said... that he had heard... he could Licence hackney cabs and drivers in a place called Berwick.... and he could do so through the post.... and by doing so would not be under the control of his local council..... being thick I said I did not know..... but I knew an Oracle that would.....

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I will let you into a little secret..... well it's not really a secret..... because a great many people representing different areas belonging to the NTA were present... these people are called representatives, they represent drivers in different areas..... Two years ago at the NTA General Meeting they were asked to vote regarding working with different associations and unions.... and guess what..... they unanimously agreed.


I'm fully aware of what supposedly transpired at the NTA AGM as you well know and the reason why I am aware is because both you and Mr Casey have stated as much on previous occasions. However these reps didn't have a mandate from their own membership to give the NTA authority to propose new legislation in their name.

Now then, considering you've once again rolled out the AGM nonsense perhaps you can tell me and every other cab driver in the country where the rest of this motley crew got their mandate?

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ps... you keep referring to the London contingent..... prey tell all..... who are they.


London Taxi Drivers Association ring a bell?

He turned up once at Trafford and having realised you guys are a menace to society he said up yours.

Didn't you tell him that London is next and all their radio circuits and cab drivers will require a private hire operator license if they wish to take a private booking?

Your proposals are that good that London cabbies will rush to embrace them will they not?

Why don't you spell out what it means to London Cabbies? Or are you that unsure of your own argument that you need to hide your proposals under a rock.

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J D . I was asked a question a few days ago by a person who has a strong involvement in criminal activities. He asked me if it was true that he could start a hackney radio circuit and not need to be licensed


I suppose you said yes and that has been the case for the last 160 years.

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he also said that he had heard he could Licence hackney cabs and drivers in a place called Berwick


I'm afraid he wouldn't be able to license hackney cabs in Berwick unless he was a fit and proper person, I hope you told him that? He also wouldn't be able to license hackney cab drivers as each hackney cab driver has to make their own application. I trust you also told him that?

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and he could do so through the post


If he was considered a fit and proper person then he could license a hackney carriage as long as it complied with the conditions laid down by the said licensing authority, regardless of which licensing authority that might be.

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and by doing so would not be under the control of his local council


Hackney carriage proprietors are controlled by the licensing authority that licenses them, I don't think there is any ambiguity in that respect.

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being thick I said I did not know


I suspect that will hardly surprise anyone.

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but I knew an Oracle that would.


Would what? Oh I see? You may give your friend my response and if he passes the fit and proper person test in any licensing authority in the UK including London, then he can license a vehicle as long as they don't operate a system of quantity control.

He wont be able to license hackney cab drivers but he can set up a radio circuit for hackney cab drivers just like they do in London and elsewhere but I'm afraid that has nothing whatsoever to do with Berwick or any other licensing authority for that matter.

I suppose he should really have asked someone with a slightly higher IQ than yourself, that way you wouldn't need to come on TDO and ask our advice.

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I will put my money where my mouth is and confidently predict that your mouth will either stay historically closed or it will spew out a diatribe of inaccurate and untrue nonsense, as per usual.

Love and best wishes.

A. REALIST.


I wonder why a man with such a clear view of a trade would not want to become involved in a debate over specific issues regarding that trade with representatives of groups which seek to better the trade for the members of it and the customers who use it.

What confuses me more is that this man has such strong opinions of how the trade should be "overseen and governed" hides behind a keyboard and considers himself important because he can manipulate support simply by inventing another member.

I would suggest that Mr JD attends the MOM meeting if only to allow those of us who cannot attend an opportunity of some insight of what actually goes on there ................... but then again his trait is to describe in minute detail what is happening in areas he has never visited, indeed his tales are only that, a third or fourth hand interpretation of someone else's opinion.

I believe the man who says he will wager money on his words knowing that no-one knows who he is in order to collect when proved wrong is no man at all .................... but I will wager this, whatever monies you had in mind are yours providing you collect in person.

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