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How are they able to choose their tariff???

Surely, if they have different tariffs for days, nights, Bank Holidays, etc., etc., they should all have Clock Calendar Taximeters.

That's why they were invented; to stop manual interference by cab drivers!!

Are the LOs simple, or what?

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I think most councils now insist on them York council should be ashamed of its self for allowing this to happen

We can select which tarriff to use on our meters. On our six seater if we have 4 or less passengers on days it is rate 1 more than 4 and it is rate 3. We do not have time controlled meters.

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Grandad,

In that case it is totally open to abuse, by those that wish to do so!

There must be a better way.

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The meters should be time and calendar controled.
whats to stop you charging the night tariff for over 4 passengers???

Do you charge Extras for passengers on your Table of Fares?

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My observation starts and ends with the person who waffled on about starting the meter when the passenger enters the cab. I suggest he is retrained.

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JD

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Our table of fares states rate 3 for 5 to 8 passengers in the day and rate 4 between 11.00 pm and 7.00 am. Rate 3 is also the rate for new years eve up until 11.00 pm and rate 4 for bank holidays in all cases.

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Grandad,

That is the instruction given by our licensing officer. This was brought up at our DDA training day.

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Grandad,

Obviously I wasn't there but he would be right to suggest that a taxi driver cannot start the meter before the passenger gets into the cab unless the passenger was unduly loitering but he would be wrong to suggest that a taxi driver could not start the meter half a mile down the road or stop the meter half a mile before the journey ends, providing the passenger was in agreement.

At the end of the day your local bylaws will give you an indication of what you can charge under the 1847 act and the process by which it is to be implemented. The case of Curzon and that of Merryweather spell out the options relating to taxi meters but your bylaws should say something like this.

FARES AND CHARGES FOR HACKNEY CARRIAGES

13. The proprietor or driver of a hackney carriage shall be entitled to take for the hire of the carriage the rate or fare prescribed by the Council from time to time the rate or fare being calculated by distance unless the hirer expresses at the commencement of the hiring his desire to engage by time.

Provided always that where a hackney carriage shall be hired by distance the proprietor or driver thereof shall not be entitled to take for the hire of the carriage a fare greater than that recorded on the face of the taximeter except where

(a) Specifically authorised to do so by the Council and

(b) Where the extra fare is notified to passengers by a notice supplied by the Council and affixed to the inside of the vehicle so as to be clearly visible to all passengers.


DRIVERS OF HACKNEY CARRIAGE NOT TO DEMAND MORE THAN AUTHORISED FARE

14. The proprietor or driver of a hackney carriage shall not demand nor represent himself as entitled to take for a journey a greater sum than the amount authorised to be taken in accordance with byelaw 13
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The person who suggested it was mandatory to start the meter when the passenger got in the cab was wrong because he could inform the passenger that he would only start the meter once he had exited the station.

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Here's a similar worded bylaw.

5 .The driver of a hackney carriage provided with a taximeter shall :

(a) when standing or plying for hire, keep the key, flag or other device fitted in pursuance of the byelaw in that behalf locked in the position in which no fare is recorded on the face of the taximeter;

(b) before beginning a journey for which a fare is charged for distance and time, bring the machinery of the taximeter into action by moving the said key, flag or other device, so that the word "HIRED" is legible on the face of the taximeter and keep the machinery of the taximeter in action until the termination of the hiring; and

(c) cause the dial of the taximeter to be kept properly illuminated throughout any part of a hiring which is during the hours of darkness, this being the time between half an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise, and also at any other time at the request of the hirer.

6 .A proprietor or driver of a hackney carriage shall not tamper with or permit any person to tamper with any taximeter with which the carriage is provided, with the fittings thereof, or with the seals affixed thereto.
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Note clause B which under normal circumstances applies to every natural hire and it lays down the rule of law in this particular authority in respect of beginning a journey for which a fare is to be charged.

In the case of York station the driver could agree with the passenger that "for the purpose of charging", the journey will begin the moment he leaves the station.

The law is in place to prevent overcharging, not under charging.

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JD

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Maybe I didn't explain properly. We were told that we could not start the meter until the passenger was in the car. IE the meter could not be started until any shoppping or a wheelchair were in the car and the passenger was ready to start the journey.

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Grandad,

The 1995 DDA says you can't charge extra for wheelchair bound passengers. I suppose loading and securing a wheelchair bound passenger might well fit into that category if a case ever went before the courts? On the other hand a court might decide that each individual circumstance could present their own peculiarities and that their could possibly be times when starting a meter prior to securing the passenger was acceptable? I wouldn't like to guess which way a court might tread under the circumstances?

Councils make provisions for cab drivers by way of bylaws therefore it is always advisable to consider the wording in your bylaws in respect of incidental charging.

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JD

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Seems to me York council dont have a clue whats going on at the station,
They would be better opening the rank up to all hackney cabs taking the control out of the idiot that runs it, who is he to decide who can or not work there,.
the quicker its done the better, this would also reduce the extortionate permit fees that he and his cronies charge, then drivers could start there meters once at the exit.
They could even ask NEXC to move the front of the rank to nearer the exit

when a driver picks up at the head of station rank, within 6 ft of setting off he is out of stn property on to Council owned land [Tea Room Square] traffic system

the Council designed this stupid loop system in Tea Room sq after spending thousands and thousands plus going over budget just so the bendy bus [FTR] could have a bus stop outside, the old rank outside was taken away due to this

when a driver sets off, firstly he's got to watch traffic behind to his right coming through the portico heading for the car park, ahead of him is a pedestrian crossing, plus 2 more pedestrian crossings in the loop

on joining the loop to go out of tea room sq this could be chocked with traffic waiting to park in the short stay car park, as the driver is now bumper to bumper with traffic going in and coming out of the short stay car park, he eventually hits the main road with a pedestrian crossing

now the driver to turn left or right he has to cross a down hilll cycle track with the bendy bus stood parked, he can't see properly, with traffic both ways, then theres traffic turning into Tea room square from the left

so there we have it, this can take up to 15 minutes to move a few yards