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Well then you're naive,,,, many companies cannot start up because they have planning permission refused... fact of life

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Well then you're naive,,,, many companies cannot start up because they have planning permission refused... fact of life


Not many self employed plumbers get this problem.............

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But they do have a choice ............................ they can buy a plate.



Joiners, Plumbers and Electricians can work for themselves once qualified, without having to pay an exhorbatant sum for the privilege.
Why should taxi drivers be any different?


So if you built up a plumbers firm.. you would just give it away to the first person who asks...
No but I wouldn't expect the council to limit my competition and force them to work for me either. :shock:


Surely the situation is that the council must now justify any limit it imposes?

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No, they should dump any limit and justify their entry criteria and standards.

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gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:
MR T wrote:
gusmac wrote:
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But they do have a choice ............................ they can buy a plate.



Joiners, Plumbers and Electricians can work for themselves once qualified, without having to pay an exhorbatant sum for the privilege.
Why should taxi drivers be any different?


So if you built up a plumbers firm.. you would just give it away to the first person who asks...
No but I wouldn't expect the council to limit my competition and force them to work for me either. :shock:


Surely the situation is that the council must now justify any limit it imposes?

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No, they should dump any limit and justify their entry criteria and standards.


I see, so you dont think there should be any forward planning for taxis at all?

We should have a free market type approach?

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captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:
MR T wrote:
gusmac wrote:
GA wrote:

But they do have a choice ............................ they can buy a plate.



Joiners, Plumbers and Electricians can work for themselves once qualified, without having to pay an exhorbatant sum for the privilege.
Why should taxi drivers be any different?


So if you built up a plumbers firm.. you would just give it away to the first person who asks...
No but I wouldn't expect the council to limit my competition and force them to work for me either. :shock:


Surely the situation is that the council must now justify any limit it imposes?

CC
No, they should dump any limit and justify their entry criteria and standards.


I see, so you dont think there should be any forward planning for taxis at all?

We should have a free market type approach?

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Proper quality controls is the way forward. Not number limits which only serve to line the pockets of those who were in first at the expense of everyone else.

Protectionism like this is a relic from the days of beer and sandwiches at no. 10.

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gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:
MR T wrote:
gusmac wrote:
GA wrote:

But they do have a choice ............................ they can buy a plate.



Joiners, Plumbers and Electricians can work for themselves once qualified, without having to pay an exhorbatant sum for the privilege.
Why should taxi drivers be any different?


So if you built up a plumbers firm.. you would just give it away to the first person who asks...
No but I wouldn't expect the council to limit my competition and force them to work for me either. :shock:


Surely the situation is that the council must now justify any limit it imposes?

CC
No, they should dump any limit and justify their entry criteria and standards.


I see, so you dont think there should be any forward planning for taxis at all?

We should have a free market type approach?

CC
Proper quality controls is the way forward. Not number limits which only serve to line the pockets of those who were in first at the expense of everyone else.

Protectionism like this is a relic from the days of beer and sandwiches at no. 10.


I dont really agree with the point that number limits only serve to line the pockets of those who were in first, but that wasnt the question.

Surely if a council has an independent survey and the survey states 'X' amount of taxis will offer the best service to the public and you should have ranks situated at points A, B, & C, would that not seem that a council is acting responsibly?

Could you define what you see as proper quality control?

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I dont really agree with the point that number limits only serve to line the pockets of those who were in first, but that wasnt the question.


Limiting numbers prevents new drivers from obtaining a plate, except by purchasing it at a huge price from someone who already has one or more. The only other option is to hire a cab at a huge cost from the very same people. Who do you suppose benefits most from this?

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Surely if a council has an independent survey and the survey states 'X' amount of taxis will offer the best service to the public and you should have ranks situated at points A, B, & C, would that not seem that a council is acting responsibly?


That may seem responsible but it only seems that way.
The market will determine how best to serve the public, not some council committee.
Too much depends on the council and their motives.
Surveys also have a habit of finding whatever the people paying for them want them to find. :wink:

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Could you define what you see as proper quality control?


No problem.

A proper knowledge test for every driver based on the area they will be working.

Full UK driving licence - no foreign licence holders.

Tests to make sure that drivers can speak and understand the English language and calculate the correct change.

Full police record checks with the same standards applied to all.

Decent vehicle standards such as

A maximum age when plated say 3 or 5 years.

Good standards of inspection at least twice a year.

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Limiting numbers prevents new drivers from obtaining a plate, except by purchasing it at a huge price from someone who already has one or more. The only other option is to hire a cab at a huge cost from the very same people. Who do you suppose benefits most from this?


That is your opinion, mine is different and sufficed to say I don't agree.


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That may seem responsible but it only seems that way.
The market will determine how best to serve the public, not some council committee.
Too much depends on the council and their motives.
Surveys also have a habit of finding whatever the people paying for them want them to find.


Aha the free market, is this the same free market that has seen our oil and gas rise in cost during the past few months....the same free market we were told would keep prices lower?

The problem seems to be that a free taxi market requires more manipulation than a regulated taxi market.

If it was a free market I could drive what I want at the prices I want....market forces....when the market is slow I can lower my prices....when the market is busy and in demand I can name my own price?

You seem to be suspicious of surveys....I don't disagree with your sentiments but perhaps the outcome. The survey should be a means to establish the best possible service to the public...not the wanna-plates or gorraplates.

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A proper knowledge test for every driver based on the area they will be working.

Full UK driving licence - no foreign licence holders.

Tests to make sure that drivers can speak and understand the English language and calculate the correct change.

Full police record checks with the same standards applied to all.

Decent vehicle standards such as

A maximum age when plated say 3 or 5 years.

Good standards of inspection at least twice a year.


Your first four points I agree on...but they should already be in place whether your a wanna-plate or gorraplate.

Ive already mentioned the free market...so I guess you know where I am going with the next bit.

If its a free market why must the vehicle i license be 3 years old or younger?

I might wanna call my cab company fawlty towers taxis...drive a Austin 1100, insult passengers and beat the car with a branch.....My customers may well all be fawlty towers fans and wish to pay me a premium to see this occur and for me to browbeat them.

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We should have a free market type approach?

The PH trade has flourished under such a policy. In many cases on the back of a restricted taxi market.

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We should have a free market type approach?

The PH trade has flourished under such a policy. In many cases on the back of a restricted taxi market.


Flourished on the back?

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where did I put those headache tablets?


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where did I put those headache tablets?


To the left of the viagra :lol:

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thank`s captain cab


no problem....its like groundhog day so I know what you mean. :wink:

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no problem....its like groundhog day so I know what you mean. :wink:

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Been watching this: Captcab, your full of shi*

Why do taxi drivers want to become taxi owners?


Lets use Edinburgh as and example - a 50k plate (sorry, a 35K plate, credit crunch and all that . . .) :roll:

Well, shi* head?

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