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Come on Trev, you might as well have your tuppence worth . . . .

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no problem....its like groundhog day so I know what you mean. :wink:

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Been watching this: Captcab, your full of shi*

Why do taxi drivers want to become taxi owners?


Lets use Edinburgh as and example - a 50k plate (sorry, a 35K plate, credit crunch and all that . . .) :roll:

Well, shi* head?



Aha enter the moron, nice to see you, still practicing thuggery? (could be a typo)

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no problem....its like groundhog day so I know what you mean. :wink:

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Been watching this: Captcab, your full of shi*

Why do taxi drivers want to become taxi owners?


Lets use Edinburgh as and example - a 50k plate (sorry, a 35K plate, credit crunch and all that . . .) :roll:

Well, shi* head?



Aha enter the moron, nice to see you, still practicing thuggery? (could be a typo)

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Why do taxi drivers want to become taxi owners? A snip at 35K . . . .


Btw, your little joke is wasted on the average Edinburgh Taxi "owner" ("who says I'm joking") aye good one Cap, but lets get back to the question.

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Skull wrote:
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no problem....its like groundhog day so I know what you mean. :wink:

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Been watching this: Captcab, your full of shi*

Why do taxi drivers want to become taxi owners?


Lets use Edinburgh as and example - a 50k plate (sorry, a 35K plate, credit crunch and all that . . .) :roll:

Well, shi* head?



Aha enter the moron, nice to see you, still practicing thuggery? (could be a typo)

CC


Why do taxi drivers want to become taxi owners? A snip at 35K . . . .


Btw, you little joke is wasted on the average Edinburgh Taxi "owner" ("who says I'm joking") aye good one Cap, but lets get back to the question.


what little joke?

I dont think I asked that question btw....but if you mean getting something for free then selling it for a profit....then IMO that's wrong....perhaps when the owner is finished with it, it should be handed in and re-issued. Or perhaps the law needs changed so those who get free issues are perhaps shot / and / or buggered if they sell them.

Perhaps the only people entitled to licenses should be licensed drivers.

My point was at present if a council wants restrictions it must justify those restrictions by virtue of a survey....if that survey says a certain number of vehicles is in the public interest then....

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You know damned well a survey is nothing but a contrived pile of shi*e. The council pays for the answers they want- he who pays the fiddler calls the tune

A driver wants to become an owner, why?

He has to pay 35K for a plate (strange when you think there is no unmet demand)


Well Captcab, oh and please spare us the bull . . .

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But they do have a choice ............................ they can buy a plate.



Joiners, Plumbers and Electricians can work for themselves once qualified, without having to pay an exhorbatant sum for the privilege.
Why should taxi drivers be any different?


So if you built up a plumbers firm.. you would just give it away to the first person who asks...


No but I wouldn't expect the council to limit my competition and force them to work for me either. :shock:


Whats the point of 1,000,000 people becoming plumbers if there is only the work for 250,000 .......................... or like everyone else do you consider there to be a lack of plumbers just because you can't get one to come to your house at 2 am when your tap won't turn on.

The culture of today .................... to important to wait and everything on a plate.

B. Lucky :D

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But they do have a choice ............................ they can buy a plate.



Joiners, Plumbers and Electricians can work for themselves once qualified, without having to pay an exhorbatant sum for the privilege.
Why should taxi drivers be any different?


So if you built up a plumbers firm.. you would just give it away to the first person who asks...


No but I wouldn't expect the council to limit my competition and force them to work for me either. :shock:


Whats the point of 1,000,000 people becoming plumbers if there is only the work for 250,000 .......................... or like everyone else do you consider there to be a lack of plumbers just because you can't get one to come to your house at 2 am when your tap won't turn on.

The culture of today .................... to important to wait and everything on a plate.

B. Lucky :D


"Whats the point" the point is, it's not for you to decide. Now why does a driver want to become an owner?

Oh and btw, if your above scenario is correct then no one would do it.

So come on GA, answer the question.

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Skull wrote:
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But they do have a choice ............................ they can buy a plate.



Joiners, Plumbers and Electricians can work for themselves once qualified, without having to pay an exhorbatant sum for the privilege.
Why should taxi drivers be any different?


So if you built up a plumbers firm.. you would just give it away to the first person who asks...


No but I wouldn't expect the council to limit my competition and force them to work for me either. :shock:


Whats the point of 1,000,000 people becoming plumbers if there is only the work for 250,000 .......................... or like everyone else do you consider there to be a lack of plumbers just because you can't get one to come to your house at 2 am when your tap won't turn on.

The culture of today .................... to important to wait and everything on a plate.

B. Lucky :D


"Whats the point" the point is, it's not for you to decide. Now why does a driver want to become an owner?

Oh and btw, if your above scenario is correct then no one would do it.

So come on GA, answer the question.


Hello Skull... I am surprise you asked the question... you said it often enough... get a free plate... like Alastair... and sell it to some mug for £50,000 .....

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I dont really agree with the point that number limits only serve to line the pockets of those who were in first, but that wasnt the question.


Limiting numbers prevents new drivers from obtaining a plate, except by purchasing it at a huge price from someone who already has one or more. The only other option is to hire a cab at a huge cost from the very same people. Who do you suppose benefits most from this?

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Surely if a council has an independent survey and the survey states 'X' amount of taxis will offer the best service to the public and you should have ranks situated at points A, B, & C, would that not seem that a council is acting responsibly?


That may seem responsible but it only seems that way.
The market will determine how best to serve the public, not some council committee.
Too much depends on the council and their motives.
Surveys also have a habit of finding whatever the people paying for them want them to find. :wink:

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Could you define what you see as proper quality control?


No problem.

A proper knowledge test for every driver based on the area they will be working.

Full UK driving licence - no foreign licence holders.

Tests to make sure that drivers can speak and understand the English language and calculate the correct change.

Full police record checks with the same standards applied to all.

Decent vehicle standards such as

A maximum age when plated say 3 or 5 years.

Good standards of inspection at least twice a year.


Gusmac... all your argument is saying.... is then you want to replace one restriction with another.... because that restriction suits you... unfortunately your restrictions corrode overtime and more people come in to the trade.. and then more restrictions are put in place to keep people out... and then more restrictions.. and more..
let's see what is being put in place now... the new hackney driving test.. that will suit you unless you fail... and the nvq qualification.... and more patches to stop drivers as time goes on... until you become swamped then you'll be saying bring back numbers control. because I have a £30,000 vehicle and have to meet the payments..
let's face the truth.. Alastair Turnbull cried and cried saying he deserved a licence so that he could work.... and he gets one .. free... and put's a heap on for a1000 quid.. now he was telling everyone that he's earning 1200 pounds a week and has a special agreement with the taxman that he pays nothing in tax... so why would he want to sell such a profitable concern for a mere £50,000 ... personally I think he can't get out of his pit and doesn't make any money..... a man of his principles you would have thought would have gave that plate to another driver.....

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Gusmac... all your argument is saying.... is then you want to replace one restriction with another.... because that restriction suits you...


That restriction doesn't suit me Trevor, I already have a plate which I work myself.
I also don't need restricted numbers to keep me supplied with drivers because I don't have any.
Your system would actually suit me better. I could just stick a couple of drivers on it and live off the profit of their work but I have to live with myself.

I hired cabs from money hungry tw*ts when I first got into this game and you sound a lot like them. Old gits who already made their livings from the trade and were determined to keep squeezing every last unearned penny from the guys who came in after them.

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unfortunately your restrictions corrode overtime and more people come in to the trade.. and then more restrictions are put in place to keep people out... and then more restrictions.. and more..
let's see what is being put in place now... the new hackney driving test.. that will suit you unless you fail... and the nvq qualification.... and more patches to stop drivers as time goes on... until you become swamped then you'll be saying bring back numbers control. because I have a £30,000 vehicle and have to meet the payments..


You of course prefer no restrictions on the standards of driver or vehicle because the first would erode the demand for your cabs and therefore the rental value of your assets. The second would increase the costs of providing those assets and therefore impact your profit margin.
You prefer only limits on numbers of licences.........licences which you just happen to have several of....... :roll:

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let's face the truth.. Alastair Turnbull cried and cried saying he deserved a licence so that he could work.... and he gets one .. free... and put's a heap on for a1000 quid.. now he was telling everyone that he's earning 1200 pounds a week and has a special agreement with the taxman that he pays nothing in tax... so why would he want to sell such a profitable concern for a mere £50,000 ... personally I think he can't get out of his pit and doesn't make any money..... a man of his principles you would have thought would have gave that plate to another driver.....


It wasn't Ali T's system Trevor, it's yours. You support it.
He played the game according to your rules, and demonstrated everything that is wrong with it.
Are you saying he had no right to?
Is that right reserved for the elite like yourself who spend years living off the graft of others?

If principles bother you so much Trevor, perhaps you will consider handing your plates on to your drivers.
The people who have already paid for them several times over.
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Limiting numbers prevents new drivers from obtaining a plate, except by purchasing it at a huge price from someone who already has one or more. The only other option is to hire a cab at a huge cost from the very same people. Who do you suppose benefits most from this?


That is your opinion, mine is different and sufficed to say I don't agree.


So short of marrying a rich widow with plates or inheriting one, what other way is there to get your own plate in a restricted area, other than what I have already stated?


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That may seem responsible but it only seems that way.
The market will determine how best to serve the public, not some council committee.
Too much depends on the council and their motives.
Surveys also have a habit of finding whatever the people paying for them want them to find.


Aha the free market, is this the same free market that has seen our oil and gas rise in cost during the past few months....the same free market we were told would keep prices lower?


I didn't say "free market" - you did.
I said "market" - that's the people who actually use our services.

BTW There is little that could be called "free market" about a commodity which is as highly taxed as oil and is controlled globally by a huge cartel.

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The problem seems to be that a free taxi market requires more manipulation than a regulated taxi market.

If it was a free market I could drive what I want at the prices I want....market forces....when the market is slow I can lower my prices....when the market is busy and in demand I can name my own price?


You can already drive what you want in some areas and you can charge what you like - up to the amount on your meter or whatever you like if your fare begins or ends outside your area.
So most of this you can already do, depending on the wisdom of your council, of course :lol:

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A proper knowledge test for every driver based on the area they will be working.

Full UK driving licence - no foreign licence holders.

Tests to make sure that drivers can speak and understand the English language and calculate the correct change.

Full police record checks with the same standards applied to all.

Decent vehicle standards such as

A maximum age when plated say 3 or 5 years.

Good standards of inspection at least twice a year.


Your first four points I agree on...but they should already be in place whether your a wanna-plate or gorraplate.


Yes they should be in place already - but they are not.

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Ive already mentioned the free market...so I guess you know where I am going with the next bit.

If its a free market why must the vehicle i license be 3 years old or younger?

I might wanna call my cab company fawlty towers taxis...drive a Austin 1100, insult passengers and beat the car with a branch.....My customers may well all be fawlty towers fans and wish to pay me a premium to see this occur and for me to browbeat them.

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Yes you did mention the free market.
I mentioned sacking limits on numbers and applying better quality controls 8)

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GA wrote:
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But they do have a choice ............................ they can buy a plate.



Joiners, Plumbers and Electricians can work for themselves once qualified, without having to pay an exhorbatant sum for the privilege.
Why should taxi drivers be any different?


So if you built up a plumbers firm.. you would just give it away to the first person who asks...


No but I wouldn't expect the council to limit my competition and force them to work for me either. :shock:


Whats the point of 1,000,000 people becoming plumbers if there is only the work for 250,000 .......................... or like everyone else do you consider there to be a lack of plumbers just because you can't get one to come to your house at 2 am when your tap won't turn on.


There is no point in that but why on earth would the last 750,000 even consider it?
Even then what right has anyone to stop them?
Least of all the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker?

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The culture of today .................... to important to wait and everything on a plate.


The culture of yesterday..............I'm alright Jack :shock:

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I think this thread shows that many licensed drivers have been treated as second class citizens by many council in the past.

Thankfully times are changing and the only one moaning now are the pseudo 'mill owners'.

And, oh course, the odd so-called representative who believe having two tiers of drivers is a good way forward for the trade. [-(

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You know damned well a survey is nothing but a contrived pile of shi*e. The council pays for the answers they want- he who pays the fiddler calls the tune

A driver wants to become an owner, why?

He has to pay 35K for a plate (strange when you think there is no unmet demand)


Well Captcab, oh and please spare us the bull . . .


I disagree.

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So short of marrying a rich widow with plates or inheriting one, what other way is there to get your own plate in a restricted area, other than what I have already stated?


Go on a waiting list?


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I didn't say "free market" - you did.
I said "market" - that's the people who actually use our services.

BTW There is little that could be called "free market" about a commodity which is as highly taxed as oil and is controlled globally by a huge cartel.


In a market that is manipulated by people who use the term 'quality control' instead of numerical restriction?

Isnt putting an age limit on a vehicle and stating what type of vehicle must be licensed and then saying its 'quality control' equally as discriminating financially to a person who has little in terms of finances?


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You can already drive what you want in some areas and you can charge what you like - up to the amount on your meter or whatever you like if your fare begins or ends outside your area.
So most of this you can already do, depending on the wisdom of your council, of course


Nope, I'm on about when demand is high charging what I like....if were going to have no restrictions then let us have no restrictions.

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