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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:03 pm 
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I have had discussions with the number of private hire companies... and the answer to this is that they would not allow Hackney's on their systems


Well you obviously haven't discussed this with our companies here. The company I work for have no less than 80 HC on their system..........

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you could always go for changing it to new vehicle and that it must be replaced every three years

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I have had discussions with the number of private hire companies... and the answer to this is that they would not allow Hackney's on their systems


But if every vehicle & driver was a one tier system 'taxi/taxi driver' on an equal footing they would have to, otherwise they would be out of business with no drivers or 'taxis'.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
In Brum it is totally the reverse. We are out numbered 4 to 1 by PH, & that is after 12 years of de-restriction. I know it is totally against what has happened in the rest of the country where de-restriction has taken place & nobody can put their finger on why that is in Birmingham? It's just a mystery; we have bucked the trend & gone the other way.
That is because your rules still leave an intrinsic value to the licence. Old licences worth a decent amount and new ones worthless.
PH is a cheaper and easier alternative for many drivers.

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Perhaps your standards for HC's are too high?


No the standards for HC are correct, but the standards for PH are way too low. No PHV over 8 years old on first licensing & then there is no age limit whatsoever.


Ahh we have no PHV over eight....except for limos....you still got Nissan Bluebirds there? :wink:

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After giving it some thought.. there would be a strong case, in Birmingham for a driver to be required to speak at least two languages... multi-racial city... how is your Hindu

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The logic was that if you legalise that is illegal then the problem would be solved

ps... I was led to believe that the monkeys as you refer them were certain Scottish drivers during the Highland fling


I thought it was scouse taxi barons after taking their drivers money :oops:

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I have had discussions with the number of private hire companies... and the answer to this is that they would not allow Hackney's on their systems


But if every vehicle & driver was a one tier system 'taxi/taxi driver' on an equal footing they would have to, otherwise they would be out of business with no drivers or 'taxis'.


so obviously you would have a strong lobby against such an act from the private hire

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you could always go for changing it to new vehicle and that it must be replaced every three years


Yes to new PH vehicles on new PH plates. No to maximum age of 3 years, because that is unreasonable & open to challenge. A maximum age limit of 6, 7, or 8 years, unless in exceptional condition would be more equitable.

And upgrade of PH vehicle to be a minimum of 2 or 3 years younger.

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so obviously you would have a strong lobby against such an act from the private hire


Well there should be, but I don't suppose many of them have thought it through thoroughly!

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The logic was that if you legalise that is illegal then the problem would be solved

ps... I was led to believe that the monkeys as you refer them were certain Scottish drivers during the Highland fling


I thought it was scouse taxi barons after taking their drivers money :oops:
you are starting to sound like Skull.. you may take that either way

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so obviously you would have a strong lobby against such an act from the private hire


Well there should be, but I don't suppose many of them have thought it through thoroughly!
I think you'll find they already have

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..... while the Hacks (who don't want a single tier system) work the PH system until the clubs throw out then they go do what they got licenced to do in the first place, i.e pick up off the road.


It absolutely astounds me that PH in most cases want a one tier system, & even more astounds me that PH operator do too.

Looking at it from a legilimate PH operators viewpoint, what would a one tier system bring to them?

Answer; Distruction of their hard earned businesses in most cases & quite quickly too.

And the reason is that at the moment, working as PH operators they have 'control' over their licensed PH drivers & vehicles.

If a one tier system were introduced & all 'taxis' were allowed to ply, stand & take dispatch work on an even footing, previous PH operators would have very little control over their drivers & vehicles. The result would be that driver A dispatched to a pick-up say 3 miles away, could quite easily be flagged on the way, take that job instead, especially if it was a better job than the one he was sent to pick up, & stuff the dispatched job.

Multiply that scenario by X times a day & the operation now has a growing number of dissatisfied customers & very quickly these long established hard earned previous PH businesses would be going to the wall, because of they could no longer control their drivers.

There are always two sides to every story.


I would like nothing more than to see the PH companies having to work hard for their drivers to keep them. Instead of being able to dictate how much we pay in settles and control the amount of work we actually do. They continue to increase driver numbers even though the work isn't there for the current drivers and it's a classic case of 'I'm alright Jack stuff you'.

Our plight here is there are only a couple of companies now when there use be loads of small individual firms who had regulars. Now there are about 3 firms who have attitudes they've got us over a barrel.

A single tier system would be great here. Those who wanted to work one system or the other could those who wanted to work both systems could. I don't think as a general rule of thumb if a driver had opted to take a job off the system they would then pick up off the street and forget the job they had agreed to do, that would be detremental to their own earning ability if they kept doing that. I think for the most part it would only be of a weekend that you would see any difference in way people work.

What annoys me about the PH companies is they seem to look at us as 2nd class citizens and I've had enough what they forget is we the drivers are their customers, this should be a team effort. The drivers put the bread on companies table, the company should be putting the bread 'buttered' back on our table. I want my monies worth. Now if I were HC on our system I would be getting my monies worth because they don't pay as much settle as we do........... go figure!!

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Sorry toots but I admire the post....things dont change and the people dont change...from being a PH owner driver you become a HC owner driver...you still need a radio because its only busy on the streets a few hours per week...the guy you give your settle too wont change he'll get worse.

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I did 12 years on nights for S R C so I know what you mean

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