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 Post subject: Re: Road Pricing
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:00 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
How do small one man bands operate in England? does the Owner driver need 3 Licences, one for Himself, one for His Car and one as an Operator.

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Add to this the 60 grand the numpties are paying for a licence plate they will never own, here in Edwin's burgh.

Of course, word is that this fallen somewhat, around £45K and falling as we speak.

How long before we will be able to offer to buy a licence plate for five grand and get our hands bitten off?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:01 pm 
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And does that same Operator need a dedicated office and phone minder to take all his bookings? or does the owner driver just switch the office phone to call divert? ..... A thick Jock here!![/b]

Some have the misses at home, and some have mobile numbers as their contact details, and some have call divert.

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 Post subject: Re: Road Pricing
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:07 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
And does that same Operator need a dedicated office and phone minder to take all his bookings? or does the owner driver just switch the office phone to call divert? ..... A thick Jock here!![/b]

Some have the misses at home, and some have mobile numbers as their contact details, and some have call divert.



that aint so bad then because it looks like we up here in Jockland are heading down the same road.. though there seems a reluctance from the Scottish executive to by how far and by how much...one things for sure it'll be more money to the SE and less money for us..


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 Post subject: Re: Road Pricing
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:23 pm 
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If PH and HC become Exempt then the Clever drivers will get a PH Licence, even if they never pick up a single passenger they will save money.

I'm not so sure about that.

In my area it costs at least £500 (in money and time spent) to get a driver's license.

You then need an annual badge license and a vehicle license, which added to the cost of a higher value vehicle, could add up.

Then you will need an operator's license if you haven't got your car on a circuit, and with that in many areas you also need planning permission.

If anywhere this was at presently happen it would be London, where folks could avoid the congestion charge, and I'm not sure it does to any large extent.

They could always get a hack licence from Berwick and drive wherever they like. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:04 pm 
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Add to this the 60 grand the numpties are paying for a licence plate they will never own, here in Edwin's burgh.

Of course, word is that this fallen somewhat, around £45K and falling as we speak.

How long before we will be able to offer to buy a licence plate for five grand and get our hands bitten off?


I can't see why the plate value is going down, for those prepared to work the returns are commensurate with the investment in the business.

On the whole, Edinburgh must have one of the best quality fleets in this country, we keep going forward whilst others are going backwards.

Now just because it's the festival it comes as no suprise that you will use these few periods of excessive demand to try and score another moot point, I think your hands are safe for the time being. :)

I'm PMSL at all of this really, it's obvious to most people that you are a hysterical chancer, you talk down to everybody about their lack of business acumen and how they are mad to invest in their business whilst you do not appear to have ever had enough acumen in the umpteen years you done the job to have gotten your own. :?

You do not agree with age limits on vehicles because you want a plate to stick on an old shed to sell it, nothing to do with council fascism. :lol:

Goodbye, little spy in the sky, they say the cameras never lie :wink:


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Bowling Alone wrote:
You do not agree with age limits on vehicles because you want a plate to stick on an old shed to sell it
Age limits are arbitrary and not a good indicator of vehicle quality. I've seen sheds that were less than 3 years old. I have also seen motors that were 10 or more years old in great condition.

Age limits do nothing to promote better vehicle maintenance either - why spend money keeping a motor in good nick just for some committee to tell you it's too old anyway?

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gusmac wrote:
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You do not agree with age limits on vehicles because you want a plate to stick on an old shed to sell it
Age limits are arbitrary and not a good indicator of vehicle quality. I've seen sheds that were less than 3 years old. I have also seen motors that were 10 or more years old in great condition.

Age limits do nothing to promote better vehicle maintenance either - why spend money keeping a motor in good nick just for some committee to tell you it's too old anyway?



good point gusmac....wheres the incentive?


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gusmac wrote:
Bowling Alone wrote:
You do not agree with age limits on vehicles because you want a plate to stick on an old shed to sell it
Age limits are arbitrary and not a good indicator of vehicle quality. I've seen sheds that were less than 3 years old. I have also seen motors that were 10 or more years old in great condition.

Age limits do nothing to promote better vehicle maintenance either - why spend money keeping a motor in good nick just for some committee to tell you it's too old anyway?


Quite right too, apparently I am missing the point, whatever that is, perhaps there isn't one, however I don't think it is a good idea to base tariffs on a £1k vehicle replacement cost, lets face it an awful lot has changed in ten years, the euro standards for one thing.

As business people we should all be aware that we have a duty to think about the wider issues of our business activities,although I concede it is hard to rise above the vulgar masses when your still a vulgar mass yourself. :lol:

If you don't want to pay for the Licence and you don't want to pay for the vehicle, what do you want to pay for?What happened to the Quality controls, forgotten about I suppose.


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Manchester want to levy a daily congestion charge of three pound a day to raise revenue for transport. In other words they want to tax motorists just like they do in London. The only problem is that road congestion in Manchester is on the decrease and that which exists is down to road excavation, building works and buses.

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What happened to the Quality controls, forgotten about I suppose.

An arbitrary age limit has nothing to do with quality control.
Proper standards and frequency of inspection maintain quality.
Arbitrary age limits are a poor substitute and an exuse for shoddy inspection and enforcement.
They also encourage owners to double or even triple shift their cabs and penalise the owners who look after theirs.
It makes more economic sense to run them into the ground before they reach the age limit than to spend money looking after them.

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We seem to be going of topic here.
The topic is road pricing.

'The only problem is that road congestion in Manchester is on the decrease and that which exists is down to road excavation, building works and buses. '

This is exactly what has happen in London.
Traffic levels have been falling before the ConCharge but traffic speed hasn't improved.
It's called 'traffic degeneration'.See the latest copy of 'Taxi'.

Also a politician is nothing unless he has a budget.
The ConCharge provides this.

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Capt Taxi wrote:
We seem to be going of topic here.
The topic is road pricing.

Isn't that the same as a conversation folks have in a pub, starts on one topic and ends on a completely different one? :?

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Just to remind everyone that road pricing is still a stealth tax policy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/mai ... ery103.xml

Talking to people in the haulage industry it appears that they are split,with the owner-drivers and small operators against and the big operators for; ie divide and rule.

I hope we learn from this.

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Capt Taxi wrote:
Just to remind everyone that road pricing is still a stealth tax policy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/mai ... ery103.xml

Talking to people in the haulage industry it appears that they are split,with the owner-drivers and small operators against and the big operators for; ie divide and rule.

I hope we learn from this.



How can the big operators be for it, every other inch of road will be charged at different prices and these further changed by the time of day used...how the hell can anyone give a price under those kind of conditions. you wouldnt know yourself how much it was costin til your Visa statement and Road pricing demand came through, be a bit hard to get the undercharged fare back then.


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