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Good... next time he's buying... I'll pick a very expensive red wine :lol:


From memory...you could pick a crap wine at an expensive hotel :lol:

CC ....so you're the one that got that cheaper bottle... :lol: I did not hear you complaining.... :lol:

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:

The idea of new PHV for new PHV licence is to put PH on a level playing field with HC, who have since 1996 had new HC for new HC licence.

It is also to stop the 40% annual turnover of drivers in the PH trade that flit in & out of the trade on a whim.

Our PHV plate numbers are in the 21,000's now, & that shows the problem.

There are too many seasonal cherry-pickers in the PH trade in Brum, & it screws it up for those that want to make it there full time job & living.


I dont disagree with the sentiments of the policy change.....but new for new is unworkable.

Your concentrating on the vehicle....when it would appear the driver is the problem.

Damn....thats close to advice!

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Good... next time he's buying... I'll pick a very expensive red wine :lol:


From memory...you could pick a crap wine at an expensive hotel :lol:

CC ....so you're the one that got that cheaper bottle... :lol: I did not hear you complaining.... :lol:


I was complaining about the price....I almost felt guilty as you paid the bill.

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I dont disagree with the sentiments of the policy change.....but new for new is unworkable.


Don't forget it is a policy change, so if it achieves the required goal & then starts to go the other way, the policy can be changed or relaxed at a later date.

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Your concentrating on the vehicle....when it would appear the driver is the problem.


We have already had mutterings from some Asian drivers that all this is racist, because most drivers in the 'trade' are ethnic. Imaging what the cry would be if the onus & policies were to target the drivers instead. And do you really, really think that there are councillors in numbers anywhere in the country that are that brave?

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Damn....thats close to advice!


Nowhere even close, or approaching advice, sir!

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You've obviously got the same dickhead licensing people as us, both must've recently been on holiday to NY.

We had the exact same proposal put to us about 6 months ago about the "yellow chequer hackney fleet"

Havent heard anything since so god knows how it's coming along. :roll:


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New PHV for new PHV licence I say!!!

Let the cull begin.

It wont happen....sounds good but wont.


Which part won't happen?


A new vehicle on first license for PHV.....and colour policy....both are insane ideas.

Primarily for defeating the object of private hire.


The idea of new PHV for new PHV licence is to put PH on a level playing field with HC, who have since 1996 had new HC for new HC licence.

It is also to stop the 40% annual turnover of drivers in the PH trade that flit in & out of the trade on a whim.

Our PHV plate numbers are in the 21,000's now, & that shows the problem.

There are too many seasonal cherry-pickers in the PH trade in Brum, & it screws it up for those that want to make it there full time job & living.


There are different ways to stop cherry picking, I don't think it having to be a new vehicle for a new licence is the answer really. I think getting the badge itself is the bit that should be made more difficult & not just financially. I mean how many times have you heard the expression 'it's not a proper job' when talking about taxi-ing, does that mean I don't earn proper wages so I don't have to pay a proper tax bill!!

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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I dont disagree with the sentiments of the policy change.....but new for new is unworkable.


Don't forget it is a policy change, so if it achieves the required goal & then starts to go the other way, the policy can be changed or relaxed at a later date.

captain cab wrote:
Your concentrating on the vehicle....when it would appear the driver is the problem.


We have already had mutterings from some Asian drivers that all this is racist, because most drivers in the 'trade' are ethnic. Imaging what the cry would be if the onus & policies were to target the drivers instead. And do you really, really think that there are councillors in numbers anywhere in the country that are that brave?

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Damn....thats close to advice!


Nowhere even close, or approaching advice, sir!


As I've stated before...PH is many things....including Minibus and Limousines and vintage cars....the policy changes would be burdensome on many.....in view of a new plate for new vehicle policy.

You'll probably get away with a max age of 5 on new license and 8 on subsequent as its PH....with possible exemptions for Minubus and Limos.

My opinion of your council isnt good.....I'm therefore not surprised by what the PH drivers are saying with their racism claims.....but considering the last time I was in Brum with the NFTA back in 1989....the only cabs I got in were driven by very decent Asian drivers.....

What I'm getting at, is if the consultation is done right....then racism claims can be chucked out because they were included in the consultation and had the right to respond.

And I'll charge for advice :wink:

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There are different ways to stop cherry picking, I don't think it having to be a new vehicle for a new licence is the answer really. I think getting the badge itself is the bit that should be made more difficult & not just financially. I mean how many times have you heard the expression 'it's not a proper job' when talking about taxi-ing, does that mean I don't earn proper wages so I don't have to pay a proper tax bill!!


=D>

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toots wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
New PHV for new PHV licence I say!!!

Let the cull begin.

It wont happen....sounds good but wont.


Which part won't happen?


A new vehicle on first license for PHV.....and colour policy....both are insane ideas.

Primarily for defeating the object of private hire.


The idea of new PHV for new PHV licence is to put PH on a level playing field with HC, who have since 1996 had new HC for new HC licence.

It is also to stop the 40% annual turnover of drivers in the PH trade that flit in & out of the trade on a whim.

Our PHV plate numbers are in the 21,000's now, & that shows the problem.

There are too many seasonal cherry-pickers in the PH trade in Brum, & it screws it up for those that want to make it there full time job & living.


There are different ways to stop cherry picking, I don't think it having to be a new vehicle for a new licence is the answer really. I think getting the badge itself is the bit that should be made more difficult & not just financially. I mean how many times have you heard the expression 'it's not a proper job' when talking about taxi-ing, does that mean I don't earn proper wages so I don't have to pay a proper tax bill!!

As my wife would say... women are always right :mrgreen:

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MR T wrote:
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
New PHV for new PHV licence I say!!!

Let the cull begin.

It wont happen....sounds good but wont.


Which part won't happen?


A new vehicle on first license for PHV.....and colour policy....both are insane ideas.

Primarily for defeating the object of private hire.


The idea of new PHV for new PHV licence is to put PH on a level playing field with HC, who have since 1996 had new HC for new HC licence.

It is also to stop the 40% annual turnover of drivers in the PH trade that flit in & out of the trade on a whim.

Our PHV plate numbers are in the 21,000's now, & that shows the problem.

There are too many seasonal cherry-pickers in the PH trade in Brum, & it screws it up for those that want to make it there full time job & living.


There are different ways to stop cherry picking, I don't think it having to be a new vehicle for a new licence is the answer really. I think getting the badge itself is the bit that should be made more difficult & not just financially. I mean how many times have you heard the expression 'it's not a proper job' when talking about taxi-ing, does that mean I don't earn proper wages so I don't have to pay a proper tax bill!!

As my wife would say... women are always right :mrgreen:


I wouldn't say I'm always right but nobody standing in the same room has ever been brave enough to tell me I'm wrong :wink:

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captain cab wrote:
As I've stated before...PH is many things....including Minibus and Limousines and vintage cars....the policy changes would be burdensome on many.....in view of a new plate for new vehicle policy.

You'll probably get away with a max age of 5 on new license and 8 on subsequent as its PH....with possible exemptions for Minubus and Limos.

My opinion of your council isnt good.....I'm therefore not surprised by what the PH drivers are saying with their racism claims.....but considering the last time I was in Brum with the NFTA back in 1989....the only cabs I got in were driven by very decent Asian drivers.....

What I'm getting at, is if the consultation is done right....then racism claims can be chucked out because they were included in the consultation and had the right to respond.

And I'll charge for advice


You have missed one important point in all this that the newspaper report did not mention, but which is a very important caveat in the report to the licensing committee for 17th September 2008. (Are you coming for a laugh?)

The caveat is that individual vehicles WILL continue to be licensed beyond the age limits, provided that they attain 'Exceptional Vehicle Quality Standards'.

Without that caveat, an age limit policy is challengeable in court, & probably winable.

This is why I cannot understand LAs where there is just an age policy, fullstop, without an EVQS policy. Those age limits, I believe are challengeable.

As for new vehicles for a new plate; that only affects new applicants into the trade, & not existing proprietors who wish to upgrade their vehicles.

What it may well do though, is create a licence premium value on PHVs that are a few years old.

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I dont disagree with the sentiments of the policy change.....but new for new is unworkable.


Don't forget it is a policy change, so if it achieves the required goal & then starts to go the other way, the policy can be changed or relaxed at a later date.

captain cab wrote:
Your concentrating on the vehicle....when it would appear the driver is the problem.


We have already had mutterings from some Asian drivers that all this is racist, because most drivers in the 'trade' are ethnic. Imaging what the cry would be if the onus & policies were to target the drivers instead. And do you really, really think that there are councillors in numbers anywhere in the country that are that brave?

captain cab wrote:
Damn....thats close to advice!


Nowhere even close, or approaching advice, sir!


As I've stated before...PH is many things....including Minibus and Limousines and vintage cars....the policy changes would be burdensome on many.....in view of a new plate for new vehicle policy.

You'll probably get away with a max age of 5 on new license and 8 on subsequent as its PH....with possible exemptions for Minubus and Limos.

My opinion of your council isnt good.....I'm therefore not surprised by what the PH drivers are saying with their racism claims.....but considering the last time I was in Brum with the NFTA back in 1989....the only cabs I got in were driven by very decent Asian drivers.....

What I'm getting at, is if the consultation is done right....then racism claims can be chucked out because they were included in the consultation and had the right to respond.

And I'll charge for advice :wink:

CC


Private hire maybe lots of different vehicles but with a little commonsense it could be worked out. I mean pubs have all types of different licences and they seem to cope ok. With one being able to stay open later than another, serve food, have live music whilst another can't. So why can't it work for taxi's and ph. You licence the vehicle for what use you want it for. Certain uses would require certain specs, what's the problem. If the law required that vehicles be of a certain nature for it to be a taxi then so be it but there is no reason in the world why that taxi has to be a HC. Nobody in thier right mind would want a limo to be a taxi but just to make sure they could put it in the regs that limos cannot be licenced as a taxi. It all seems quite simple to me so there obviously has to be a million and one reasons why it hasn't been done and I'm sure you good people will tell me what they are.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:

You have missed one important point in all this that the newspaper report did not mention, but which is a very important caveat in the report to the licensing committee for 17th September 2008. (Are you coming for a laugh?)

The caveat is that individual vehicles WILL continue to be licensed beyond the age limits, provided that they attain 'Exceptional Vehicle Quality Standards'.

Without that caveat, an age limit policy is challengeable in court, & probably winable.

This is why I cannot understand LAs where there is just an age policy, fullstop, without an EVQS policy. Those age limits, I believe are challengeable.

As for new vehicles for a new plate; that only affects new applicants into the trade, & not existing proprietors who wish to upgrade their vehicles.

What it may well do though, is create a licence premium value on PHVs that are a few years old.


I want to start a vintage vehicle hire business in Birmingham....I cant because my vintage vehicles must be new?

Cant see that working somehow.

Your LA has a long history of screwing up.....this thing aint been thought through.

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Your LA has a long history of screwing up.....this thing aint been thought through.


They are multiple gold medalists in the annual plonkolympics that all councils enter.

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