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Personally I can imagine an article appearing in the trade press about this bunch of leeches and questions towards the legality of the operation that sub contracts private hire work.

In my view it is 100% illegal. [-X

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In my view it is 100% illegal. [-X


In respect of the PH accepting work.....or a booking agency setting itself up?

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In respect of the PH accepting work.....or a booking agency setting itself up?

I cannot see how it isn't;

"operate" means in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle;

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In respect of the PH accepting work.....or a booking agency setting itself up?

I cannot see how it isn't;

"operate" means in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle;


I agree....but as stated before I'm drawn to the following;

acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle

just say the vehicle in question is a hackney carriage?

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AFAIUI No operators licence is required to take bookings for HC, eg on a radio net?


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AFAIUI No operators licence is required to take bookings for HC, eg on a radio net?


exactly.....and there sits the problem?

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Our Firm had this account (for exactly three weeks) What a load of wa*k. Mostly rubbish jobs going across from Victoria to Picc stations, and having to wait for them up to half an hour each time. There was the odd decent job thrown in (which generally went out through the back door to selective drivers)

Driver's complaining put paid to this account. Good thing too, rumour has it FE have not paid their bills to our company. Operators should stay clear of this lot - and not let £££ signs blur their thinking.


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I agree....but as stated before I'm drawn to the following;

acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle

just say the vehicle in question is a hackney carriage?

To me making provision comes under advertising phone, or contact, or booking details.

Acceptance is when a booking is taken.

Now if the customer is supplied with a vehicle licensed under the 1847 act, then no problem. But if the job is given to a vehicle licensed under the 1976 act, then those doing the procuring and accepting need a operator's license issued by the same council that license the driver and vehicle.

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To me making provision comes under advertising phone, or contact, or booking details.

Acceptance is when a booking is taken.

Now if the customer is supplied with a vehicle licensed under the 1847 act, then no problem. But if the job is given to a vehicle licensed under the 1976 act, then those doing the procuring and accepting need a operator's license issued by the same council that license the driver and vehicle.


I agree and want to write an article on the subject, there are real dangers of big brother taking over on a national basis......but the HC element needs addressed.

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but the HC element needs addressed.

To me, at the moment, it's pretty clear cut, 100% legal.

Following Gladen anyone can take a booking for a vehicle licensed under the 1847 act.

Now if that anyone could be a mass murderer, then it could also be a call center in Malta.

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but the HC element needs addressed.

To me, at the moment, it's pretty clear cut, 100% legal.

Following Gladen anyone can take a booking for a vehicle licensed under the 1847 act.

Now if that anyone could be a mass murderer, then it could also be a call center in Malta.


Saying all of that.....if these people dont own a single hackney carriage?

Would that change things?

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captain cab wrote:
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but the HC element needs addressed.

To me, at the moment, it's pretty clear cut, 100% legal.

Following Gladen anyone can take a booking for a vehicle licensed under the 1847 act.

Now if that anyone could be a mass murderer, then it could also be a call center in Malta.


Saying all of that.....if these people dont own a single hackney carriage?

Would that change things?

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No.

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gusmac wrote:
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but the HC element needs addressed.

To me, at the moment, it's pretty clear cut, 100% legal.

Following Gladen anyone can take a booking for a vehicle licensed under the 1847 act.

Now if that anyone could be a mass murderer, then it could also be a call center in Malta.


Saying all of that.....if these people dont own a single hackney carriage?

Would that change things?

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No.


But if they did own one......then surely they could lawfully accept bookings from anywhere in the country?? Just like they do with cabs from Berwick!

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I was tipped off ages ago about this setup after a mate discovered i was in talks to do rail contract work for them. Turns out all his info was correct and i now only do work that involves them through the rail company that pays me. I never done any direct for them because their prices were crap.
So it seems i was one of the lucky ones.


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captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:
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but the HC element needs addressed.

To me, at the moment, it's pretty clear cut, 100% legal.

Following Gladen anyone can take a booking for a vehicle licensed under the 1847 act.

Now if that anyone could be a mass murderer, then it could also be a call center in Malta.


Saying all of that.....if these people dont own a single hackney carriage?

Would that change things?

CC
No.


But if they did own one......then surely they could lawfully accept bookings from anywhere in the country?? Just like they do with cabs from Berwick!

CC


Apologies in advance if I get this wrong, medieval English law isn't my strong suit :lol:
As I see it, ownership of an HC is irrelevant. Anyone (even a PH :shock: ) can take bookings for a vehicle licenced under the 1847 act (or the 1982 CGSA, for that matter.) No licence is required for this activity.
Where it may be illegal is when that booking gets passed to a vehicle licenced under the 1976 act. This is a licenced activity.

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