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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:42 pm 
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brightonbreezy wrote:
Thats correct, we have a meeting next Tuesday with the L/O which will give a clear indication if he is going to support the drivers or not.

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That aint his job....his job will be to write a balanced report surely?

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brightonbreezy wrote:
Mmmm


Dont mmmmm me young man :lol:

I've seen some of these reports and they read something like

Options,

a, Hold a survey and limit licenses upon the result

b, Allow free market forces to prevail to the benefit of all concerned*

*Please note, the council may have to defend any legal proceedings in court, and if the survey finds we have too many licensed taxis this may result in legal action from those owners who licenses we may have to remove.


And please don't think I'm taking the p*ss, this was in a 'balanced' report to councillors!

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And the beat goes on!!!

http://democratic.bracknell-forest.gov. ... x?MId=2025

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I am still waiting to see anyone put forward the "Duty of care" and "safety" argument, for drivers and passengers due to the fact that drivers are being trapped into working excessively long hours. The argument should be pressed home by arguing that passengers i.e (the general public) are being put to unnecessary risk due to Council deregulation and policy.

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cabby john wrote:
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due to the fact that drivers are being trapped into working excessively long hours.


Notwithstanding the fact that hackney carriage drivers choose their own hours of work, such work patterns would be at their own discretion. Therefore no one twists their arm to work extreme hours and indeed no one forces them to take a job as a taxi driver. However I do see your point.

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JD the point that I was getting at is, due to deregulation a lot of LAs are granting HC licenses only on the condition that you purchase a WAV under three years old.

Now for instance in Cardiff three years ago there was approximately 450 Hacks, today we have close to 900 (fact not fiction). To those of us who at the time knew that there was enough work to service the repayments on the vehicles that we had to purchase to get the license it was fine - no problem.

However I am sure that you know that when you purchase a new WAV you virtually take on another mortgage for approx 5 years of which you cannot afford to default on. The bottom line being we have a decreasing market on i.e Double the Taxis, so you are all chasing the same market/money and as there is only so much to go around the only answer is to work more hours - otherwise you could have your families life ruined due to bankruptcy in one form or fashion.

In Cardiff I can honestly say that there is virtually no unmet demand, with the exception prior to xmas of 1.00am to 3.00am Saturday night Sunday morning and at the present time even that has gone.

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otherwise you could have your families life ruined due to bankruptcy in one form or fashion.

Of course no-one wants that, but are you saying that all those extra 450 cabs are being driving by new cab drivers, or were they already in the trade just driving someone else's cab?

And of course if it wasn't for one certain person wanting to add to his massive fleet of cabs it might not have happened. :roll: :roll:

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JD the point that I was getting at is, due to deregulation a lot of LAs are granting HC licenses only on the condition that you purchase a WAV under three years old.

Now for instance in Cardiff three years ago there was approximately 450 Hacks, today we have close to 900 (fact not fiction). To those of us who at the time knew that there was enough work to service the repayments on the vehicles that we had to purchase to get the license it was fine - no problem.

However I am sure that you know that when you purchase a new WAV you virtually take on another mortgage for approx 5 years of which you cannot afford to default on. The bottom line being we have a decreasing market on i.e Double the Taxis, so you are all chasing the same market/money and as there is only so much to go around the only answer is to work more hours - otherwise you could have your families life ruined due to bankruptcy in one form or fashion.


To be honest I think the age limitiation on first license is a way of the trade protecting itself......although I dont agree with it.

Would you rather no limit on first license.....where someone could pick up a 10 year old WAV and be on the road cabbying for say under £1K?

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otherwise you could have your families life ruined due to bankruptcy in one form or fashion.

Of course no-one wants that, but are you saying that all those extra 450 cabs are being driving by new cab drivers, or were they already in the trade just driving someone else's cab?


Apart from trying to find out on the FOI I do not know, but I will wager that the vast majority of the 450 are new drivers.

The proof is in the pudding - no unmet demand and they will still plate more if you went along.

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To be honest I think the age limitiation on first license is a way of the trade protecting itself......although I dont agree with it.

Would you rather no limit on first license.....where someone could pick up a 10 year old WAV and be on the road cabbying for say under £1K?


I have no argument on the age stipulation, but there should be a common sense approach to peoples safety, and not both eyes on the license money receipts from the LAs who are consolidating their positions by creating more jobs to eat up the money so that they do not show an excess/profit from taxi drivers license fees.

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I have no argument on the age stipulation, but there should be a common sense approach to peoples safety, and not both eyes on the license money receipts from the LAs who are consolidating their positions by creating more jobs to eat up the money so that they do not show an excess/profit from taxi drivers license fees.


IMO the trade in your area is devoid of any leadership or representation.

My feelings about deregulation are widely known, I regularly have spats with many contributors to this site on the issue, however, until you organise yourselves, your going to face a difficult time.

Standard driven regulation maybe a viable option, but this would mean the trade coming together and previous history suggests this isn't going to happen in the short term.

You mention your LA's income from licensing, everyone on here is aware of Manchester vs. King....yet how many bother?

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IMO the trade in your area is devoid of any leadership or representation.


You are right and if I were 20 years younger I would get actively involved.

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You mention your LA's income from licensing, everyone on here is aware of Manchester vs. King....yet how many bother?



That is not one I am familiar with, I will search through the forum.

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cabby john wrote:

You are right and if I were 20 years younger I would get actively involved.


I dont see age as an excuse, get yourselves organised and then look for likely people to take over.

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I CANT JOIN THE GMB, I TRYED. NEVER GOT A REPLY.

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