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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:21 pm 
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Ive got the answer

a cloak of invisibilty, ultimate stealth

and it buggers up speed cameras too

me and another PHV tried it out sunday down ASDA

good or what!

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Surely the following would be applicable in the real world (not my words by the way)

"The law has indicated that the mere presence of a vehicle and driver making them appear available for immediate hire, if improperly licensed, is enough for them to be convicted of plying for hire, and in addition if a customer approaches a vehicle and service is offered the driver is also additionally guilty of touting."

In other words if a driver is fool enough to put himself in a position where he MAY be considered to be plying then he/she are acting daft, and could be potentially in the wrong.

IMHO, if a little thought is given to location and circumstances, then being parked up sensibly somewhere, with or without driver, should surely not be a problem?
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Wow thats amazing. The LA would have a field day in Liverpool at the weekend if they wanted to be ar$y. Where did you find that little snippet?

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Doc G wrote:
Surely the following would be applicable in the real world (not my words by the way)

"The law has indicated that the mere presence of a vehicle and driver making them appear available for immediate hire, if improperly licensed, is enough for them to be convicted of plying for hire, and in addition if a customer approaches a vehicle and service is offered the driver is also additionally guilty of touting."

In other words if a driver is fool enough to put himself in a position where he MAY be considered to be plying then he/she are acting daft, and could be potentially in the wrong.

IMHO, if a little thought is given to location and circumstances, then being parked up sensibly somewhere, with or without driver, should surely not be a problem?
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It makes a case for PRIVATE hire vehicles carryin NO signs or plates then surely?

(like our local "Limos", which are indistinguishable from a private vehicle which in turn means the public are unlikely to approach the vehicle to hire them?)

take all the signs off a vehicle and the situation wont arise, the council PH door signs alone are an attractant to punters...

back to stealth....

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i totally agree with the no signs or plates, still got the 2 out of 3 badges on display, plus i havn't a roof light on the vehicle. its not needed. thats only option i have on that part about display a light


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Doc G wrote:
Surely the following would be applicable in the real world (not my words by the way)

"The law has indicated that the mere presence of a vehicle and driver making them appear available for immediate hire, if improperly licensed, is enough for them to be convicted of plying for hire, and in addition if a customer approaches a vehicle and service is offered the driver is also additionally guilty of touting."

In other words if a driver is fool enough to put himself in a position where he MAY be considered to be plying then he/she are acting daft, and could be potentially in the wrong.

IMHO, if a little thought is given to location and circumstances, then being parked up sensibly somewhere, with or without driver, should surely not be a problem?
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Great post, Doc (As is becoming the norm.)

It effectively puts me back to my original query: The car park in question is behind a secondary shopping area. The spaces used are about the furthest from that shopping area; But, locals will know where to look and, IMHO, there is only one reason to park there.

As always the devil is in the detail: Have they ever picked up non-booked jobs? It is a little outlying from civilisation and the work would probably be very local. My risk comes in going to the official rank to queer their pitch and end up sat for an hour without a job!!!

What would your strategy be??


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Cabbyman asked:

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What would your strategy be??


Either:

1: Put up with it
or
2: Get somebody you trust to "test purchase" them. If your fears are confirmed try reporting them to the appropriate authority, with all of the facts you have.


I will say that experience tells me that your LO will probably put his head into a waste paper basket at this point eusasmiles.zip

Then, when squat happens - as seems to be the norm ................... watch this space! :mrgreen:

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Doc G wrote:
Cabbyman asked:

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What would your strategy be??


Either:

1: Put up with it
or
2: Get somebody you trust to "test purchase" them. If your fears are confirmed try reporting them to the appropriate authority, with all of the facts you have.


I will say that experience tells me that your LO will probably put his head into a waste paper basket at this point eusasmiles.zip

Then, when squat happens - as seems to be the norm ................... watch this space! :mrgreen:

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How about taking photographs.

times, dates and reg numbers

lets make say 150 to 1000 of them.

Ask for a meeting with your chief executive and Chairman of licensing.

Show them the pictures, show them two court cases on here.

Ask them if they would like time to respond to this obvious irresponsibility of the council and advise that you would like a response within 28 days or you will go to the local press.

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Make them return to base and stop lurking in car parks (in bound!!!!) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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echo15 wrote:
Make them return to base and stop lurking in car parks (in bound!!!!) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yep....whats a highly dubious condition of license between friends :lol:

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echo15 wrote:
Make them return to base and stop lurking in car parks (in bound!!!!) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That wouldn't really be practical in the area I am bearing in mind the area we cover. If I went 10 miles back to base (which has double yellows outside it) then I job came in from where I just came it would seem like de ja vu every job. It just seems more reasonable to be able to wait in different areas rather having to return to base all time

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toots wrote:

That wouldn't really be practical in the area I am bearing in mind the area we cover. If I went 10 miles back to base (which has double yellows outside it) then I job came in from where I just came it would seem like de ja vu every job. It just seem reasonable


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Dont forget the green issues here, if a PH vehicle had to RTB after every drop, the CO2 levels would be increased

anyway, im off down to the town now, i hope no-one asks me to take em home

i wonder if i got the wife to flag me down by the town rank id get noticed....

not that id EVER set out to wind anyone up, dear me no...

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echo15 wrote:
Make them return to base and stop lurking in car parks (in bound!!!!) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


unless the base is IN a car park...

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As mentioned elsewhere, but on topic nonetheless, there's a group of pubs in our council area, which attracts up to six PHV from a single company (a company based in a different council area). It's not so much a pseudo rank as a hangar.

The only flipside isn't really a flipside, and that's when folks flag a hackney with the familiar: "I phoned for one (a PH) but I've been stood here twenty minutes . Are you free? I'll call and cancel it...HOW MUCH?" It isn't really a flipside those folks could've just flagged a hackney anyway, and hackneys, to my knowledge aren't hacking PH company radios.

I'm doubting that's ever happened. It sounds ridiculous - hacking a PH company radio and just happening to turn up before the PHV whenever a customer needs an urgent cab - but it's not that different from PHVs group loitering with intent near busy spots. They're both intercepting trade.


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