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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:32 am 
To answer your question about Exel Managements system, all I will say is it is by far the best system I have ever seen and worked with. Its stability and acuracy is second to none and everyone considering going data should give Richard a ring on 01623442211.

You'll be surprised at the cost of a GPS system with satalite navigation, credit and debit card facility as well as many other features.

Its a bit tricky to set up properly but expert advice and on-line help is allways available whenever you need it.

DATA IS DEAD.


Why like Wharfy, you having problems setting yours up properly.

B. Lucky


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 5:09 am 
Mick wrote:
It ain't a few up here mate, and still no comment on council knowledge.

Premiums have not been abolished up here Wharfy :o I wonder why you have made that presumption.

I am back on the ranks, yes a correct statement, but what am I driving.

Have I got myself another WAV and another NON-TRANSFERABLE PLATE?
Have I paid a premium and got another saloon?
Am I a jockey on a WAV?
Am I a jockey on a saloon?

The reason I left P/H was for purely personal reasons I do not wish to discuss on here.
Just incidentally as you don't wish to discuss your own in any detail at all.

What I will say is that not only the LTI models have E.F.B M1 ratings when it comes to WAV's.
Incidentally, how many E,F,G and H reg saloons are still in adequate condition to pass a council taxi test, cause we have loads of them on our streets, and if one was to buy a brand new TXII and it was to last as long as some of these, no-one could argue it wasn't value for money, even at £35K.

You see its not the vehicles state at manufacture that is at question here, its the quality of conversion and subsequent testing that ensures its safety for public use, if your vehicle is not of a sufficiant standard and it fails to protect a passenger properly if you were to have an accident, will you be able to live with yourself.

Thinking about how getting what you want at any cost maybe shouldn't be the attitude of a person who would consider themselves to be professional.

B. Lucky :twisted:



well you have not answered a single question there as you never do.
premiums signify significant unmet demand.
all plates in england are transferable whether your council say so or not there is case law.

pergeot eurocabs fiats eurocabs and merc eurocabs are all m1 tested in thier converted state.

you dont know what you are talking about!

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 7:48 am 
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Andy wrote:
What gets at me sometimes is the Union's phraseology such as "Right to work" and "the right not to have to pay for work". Sounds a bit like the 1960s Communist kick to make the working classes happy with their lot, while the "bosses" (be they capitalist or just "party leaders") carried on putting the wealth in their pockets.


I do have some sympathy with the 'right to work' etc etc.

However I believe this should apply to all, not just to a certain clique.

I'm amazed at some taxi unions policies. In the rest of society (i.e. the real world) unions are as happy as Larry to have as many people in a trade.

Can you imagine the miners union saying, we want less miners, the T&G at LTI saying, well actually we want less TX builders here. No you couldn't.

However in our trade the unions do them up-most to stop people coming into the trade. Why, because their branches are led by people with no foresight, or for that matter sense.


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Dusty Bin wrote:
One big problem is that many simply don't know about OFT, I think that's why plate values are still booming in some areas, whereas if anything you might expect them to at least stagnate until the uncertainty is over, or even drop in value.

Dusty


Well I would hope that most councils are aware of the OFT study.

I can see no good reason why when they are transferring a plate in a quota area, they can't give them a copies of the OFT press releases.

I've sort of got half way in my manor, in that the council is going to give those transferring plates a copy of the OFT report, when it is published. Or at least it's conclusions.


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pergeot eurocabs fiats eurocabs and merc eurocabs are all m1 tested in thier converted state.

you dont know what you are talking about!

Wharfie


Converted to specifiction but not tested, mate.

Another unsubstanciated allegation against myself, and you have the cheek to claim that you are being abused.

Wharfie, get a grip

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:10 pm 
Sussex Man wrote:
I've sort of got half way in my manor, in that the council is going to give those transferring plates a copy of the OFT report, when it is published. Or at least it's conclusions.


Your off again Andy, presuming the OFT will recommend delimitation.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:22 pm 
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I'm amazed at some taxi unions policies. In the rest of society (i.e. the real world) unions are as happy as Larry to have as many people in a trade.


In the rest of society Sussex Trade Unions are representing employee's, ever heard of the phrase "many hands make light work".

In the taxi trade Trade Unions are representing self employed people, where "light work" isn't really what we all need.

The Gateshead branch of the T&G (8/612) is made up of both P/H and H/C drivers. A recent petition requesting an un-met demand survey was signed by ALL union members and from non-members from both codes.

You see the P/H boys see the effects of de-limitatiion as new H/C drivers are heading into P/H offices searching for more money, instead of looking for the same rights as others most of the P/H boys up here just want to make a living with their P/H plates, and they are sick of the H/C dropping the office in the $hit when the pubs and clubs spill out.

But thats not what you want or what would possibly benefit YOUR area with regard delivery of service, and that is why the changes recommended by the OFT will not be felt for years to come.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:42 pm 
I have recently been in discussion about taking on a site such as this.
Is this really all people want to talk about or are they not given the oppertunity to talk about anything else.
Thank you,
dodger


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:57 pm 
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Wharfie wrote:
pergeot eurocabs fiats eurocabs and merc eurocabs are all m1 tested in thier converted state.

you dont know what you are talking about!

Wharfie


Converted to specifiction but not tested, mate.

Another unsubstanciated allegation against myself, and you have the cheek to claim that you are being abused.

Wharfie, get a grip


yes tested. crash tested

dont let our union fool you they have the same certtification the only difference is the turning circle

lti is a hotbed of spin and lies


Wharfie

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Sussex Man wrote:
Well I would hope that most councils are aware of the OFT study.

I can see no good reason why when they are transferring a plate in a quota area, they can't give them a copies of the OFT press releases.



Quite right Andy, I think the councils will be aware, but there's little evidence that this has permeated down to significant sections of the trade.

As for LAs letting transferees know, whether they would do this voluntarily I don't know.

For example, as we know plate transfers seemed to unprovided for in the Scottish legislation, but some LAs went out of their way to dream up this corporate license idea to get round the no-transfer rule.

By the same token, I doubt if they will be going out of their way to do anything that might seriously affect the plate market.

Dusty


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Your off again Andy, presuming the OFT will recommend delimitation.

B. Lucky :twisted:


Whatever the OFT report concludes it's probably best if people know the content of the report Mick, that's the way it should be either way.

In any case, if the OFT give license restrictions a ringing endorsement then that's the last you'll ever hear from me!!

Dusty


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dodger wrote:
I have recently been in discussion about taking on a site such as this.
Is this really all people want to talk about or are they not given the oppertunity to talk about anything else.
Thank you,
dodger


People can talk about absolutely anything they want, but considering the subject matter of the site then something related to the taxi/PH trade would be most sensible :)

Contributors talk about what they want to talk about, obviously some subjects are more talked about than others :)

It's open to anyone, registered member or not, to start a new topic. Just click on the 'new topic' button at the top of the list of current topics in each forum, compelete the 'subject' box, type your message and then click 'submit' :)


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Your off again Andy, presuming the OFT will recommend delimitation.

B. Lucky :twisted:


Well although I'm not a gamling man, I would wager a pound or two that the status quo will be no-more.

But whatever the report states, councils should inform those coming into the trade, or thinking about queue jumping the waiting list, of its conclusions.


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In the rest of society Sussex Trade Unions are representing employee's, ever heard of the phrase "many hands make light work".

In the taxi trade Trade Unions are representing self employed people, where "light work" isn't really what we all need.



No Mick you have missed my point. There are (in my opinion) tens of thousands of existing drivers who would consider membership of your union.

But with its anti PH trade press, and it's anti PH policies, they are shooting themselves in the foot, and making themselves as appealing as a s*** sandwich.


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The Gateshead branch of the T&G (8/612) is made up of both P/H and H/C drivers. A recent petition requesting an un-met demand survey was signed by ALL union members and from non-members from both codes.


What would you and your colleague do then if the survey recommended fewer taxis in Gateshead?

Would you give yours back?

Or are you in the same league as Roysten of Wirral, who got his plate for nothing, then wanted the drawbridge pulled up?


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