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 Post subject: Re: btec nvq
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:12 pm 
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I will try not to be as controversial as Doom-a question i have wanted to ask for a long time . has any LA apart from Bournemouth made the btec nvq a condition of licence for experienced drivers :-|


Yes....Charnwood, Leeds, Hull (I think), knowsley (I think).

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You can add to that Sefton, Wirral, St Helens, Liverpool not sure about Ellesmere Port & Neston or Chester. The only way to be certain is to check online or ring and ask them


checked out a couple of those authorities seems its a condition for new drivers otional for others still feel hoodwinked


Which ones are optional and which part is optional the Btec or the NVQ?

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In Bournemouth we had to do both nvq and btec or lose our licence
i would just like to know if any other councils have been this nasty or
is it just for new drivers and optional for experienced ones elsewhere


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lawman wrote:
In Bournemouth we had to do both nvq and btec or lose our licence
i would just like to know if any other councils have been this nasty or
is it just for new drivers and optional for experienced ones elsewhere


I would just like to know under what authority the council implimented this as a condition of Licence.

I would also like to know why drivers don't stick together and question the activity of their local authority and choose to just put up with whatever the councils decide.

B. Lucky :D

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GA wrote:
lawman wrote:
In Bournemouth we had to do both nvq and btec or lose our licence
i would just like to know if any other councils have been this nasty or
is it just for new drivers and optional for experienced ones elsewhere


I would just like to know under what authority the council implimented this as a condition of Licence.

I would also like to know why drivers don't stick together and question the activity of their local authority and choose to just put up with whatever the councils decide.

B. Lucky :D


Councils introduce conditions as they feel like it, with the above councils can hold drivers to ransom by refusing there licences if they do not comply with there wishes


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GA wrote:
lawman wrote:
In Bournemouth we had to do both nvq and btec or lose our licence
i would just like to know if any other councils have been this nasty or
is it just for new drivers and optional for experienced ones elsewhere


I would just like to know under what authority the council implimented this as a condition of Licence.

I would also like to know why drivers don't stick together and question the activity of their local authority and choose to just put up with whatever the councils decide.

B. Lucky :D



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lawman wrote:
In Bournemouth we had to do both nvq and btec or lose our licence
i would just like to know if any other councils have been this nasty or
is it just for new drivers and optional for experienced ones elsewhere

I think that Bournemouth are the only council to insist all drivers take both qualifications.

Can't see how they can insist on the BTEC for existing drivers as that's only for folks learning a new trade.

Biggest problem your local trade has is that this battle should have been fought years ago. And if done properly, at that time, you might not be where you are now.

Your trade now has only two options, get together and fight it through the courts, or lump it. :sad:

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lawman wrote:
In Bournemouth we had to do both nvq and btec or lose our licence
i would just like to know if any other councils have been this nasty or
is it just for new drivers and optional for experienced ones elsewhere


As far as I'm aware Sefton council say Btec for new drivers before badge and NVQ within 12 months. Current drivers have a time period to obtain both Btec & NVQ but they are both required as part of licence conditions. Whether it stays like that I have no idea.

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Councils introduce conditions as they feel like it, with the above councils can hold drivers to ransom by refusing there licences if they do not comply with there wishes


I don't think that's a fair post....experience tells me a council normally has a reason for bringing in something.....and its normally justifiable.

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lawman wrote:
In Bournemouth we had to do both nvq and btec or lose our licence
i would just like to know if any other councils have been this nasty or
is it just for new drivers and optional for experienced ones elsewhere

I think that Bournemouth are the only council to insist all drivers take both qualifications.

Can't see how they can insist on the BTEC for existing drivers as that's only for folks learning a new trade.

Biggest problem your local trade has is that this battle should have been fought years ago. And if done properly, at that time, you might not be where you are now.

Your trade now has only two options, get together and fight it through the courts, or lump it. :sad:


I have to agree with me auld mate Suspect on this one.

I would not expect you to have a case when it comes to those not licensed as part of the application process .................... but to insist that an existing driver is forced to take a course written and intended to be taken by people with no prior knowledge or experience of the trade.

If a council were to prove that it was necessary and in the publics interest that these qualifications need to be forced onto existing drivers then I would be suggesting that their previous checks on a persons fitnes and propriety were not sufficiant to protect the public. If they suggest that there would be an increase in "service levels" then it would be fair and reasonable to request statistics and previous investigations which proved that every single driver currently licensed would need to take the course in order to assure the public of good service.

This is a very dangerous scenario, if Bournemouth prove that by making the qualification mandatory there would be little or no objection from the trade then they could (and I stress could) make the qualifications mandatory accross the country.

And guess what happens when a qualification becomes mandatory.

B. Lucky :D

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And guess what happens when a qualification becomes mandatory.

B. Lucky :D


Somebody else makes a sh*tload of dough.

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There is never going to be 100% agreement on the idea of courses. Some people will go ahead voluntarily, some will do it cos they see that eventually they will have to and others will stand firm and not do the course until it is mandatory (if it ever is). There's no prizes for guessing which group will be paying through the nose for courses if they become mandatory.

One has to remember that the main reason these were never brought out for taxi drivers earlier is because funding was not available to self employed people. The government has gone to some effort to make funding available to self employed. Call me suspious but I think there is some reason for this

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And guess what happens when a qualification becomes mandatory.

B. Lucky :D


Somebody else makes a sh*tload of dough.


and the $hitloads of cash comes from where?

Be sensible please people, you are playing into the hands of the training providers looking for easy money, and the government trying to save money.

Keep the NVQ free ............... stop it from becoming mandatory.

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There is never going to be 100% agreement on the idea of courses. Some people will go ahead voluntarily, some will do it cos they see that eventually they will have to and others will stand firm and not do the course until it is mandatory (if it ever is). There's no prizes for guessing which group will be paying through the nose for courses if they become mandatory.

One has to remember that the main reason these were never brought out for taxi drivers earlier is because funding was not available to self employed people. The government has gone to some effort to make funding available to self employed. Call me suspious but I think there is some reason for this


The trade has a choice........although I suspect it now has no choice.

Embrace and be part of the change, or sit and watch it happen anyway.

The trade is f*cked up, too many people thinking about themselves rather than the bigger picture....the what about me mentaility will end....its only a matter of when.

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Sussex wrote:
lawman wrote:
In Bournemouth we had to do both nvq and btec or lose our licence
i would just like to know if any other councils have been this nasty or
is it just for new drivers and optional for experienced ones elsewhere

I think that Bournemouth are the only council to insist all drivers take both qualifications.

Can't see how they can insist on the BTEC for existing drivers as that's only for folks learning a new trade.

Biggest problem your local trade has is that this battle should have been fought years ago. And if done properly, at that time, you might not be where you are now.

Your trade now has only two options, get together and fight it through the courts, or lump it. :sad:

When 2 0r 3 years ago we were originally threatened by the council do it or else a TGWU rep came down to help .Outcome very little help he told us we must do it and that was before it was a condition of licence


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When 2 0r 3 years ago we were originally threatened by the council do it or else a TGWU rep came down to help .Outcome very little help he told us we must do it and that was before it was a condition of licence


Did the T&G bloke tell you the T&G are running these courses and actively promoting the training?

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