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Well most of the professions have been reeled off Doctor,Dentist, Sol and so on, but how many have been threatened with the loss of their livelihood if they do not take further exams?

What a lot of people are missing is that this is an indictment of the failure of the L.As to put the right people into taxis in the first place. In order to extradite themselves from the mess that they created - WE HAVE TO PAY! and that is just not right.


A lot of professionals have continuous testing so they can stay in their job. I don't ever remember any taxi driver saying to the LA's that the criteria wasn't tough enough. Becoming a taxi driver has been the easy option for a lot of people. How you can say that drivers have been threatened with the loss of their livihood if they don't take further exams escapes me. Some drivers have never even taken a knowledge test let alone a further test.

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Your comparison is a little wide of the mark, however your second paragraph I totally agree with.


Maybe wide of the mark but it gets the point across. What annoys me is the trade complain about these courses but nobody is prepared to have an input into what goes into these courses so they are more relevant :D

Me thinks all the wasted millions maybe billions could have spent on more relevent stuff such as security cameras, bookeeping advice simple car maintenance advanced driving lessons not the drooss contained in these worthless courses


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My view is that the courses seem to be much of a muchness....the trade needs to put input into them because some of the information seems to be rank.

The NVQ bit is too labour intensive....you'd think the computer hadn't been invented.

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I agree entirely. It is down to acceptable evidence which is what makes the NVQ so labour intensive. I'm sure things can be improved and become more acceptable in time. As I said given the right assistance things of relevance will be added to some courses it's then up to the trade which course they opt for. They can go down the road of the bog standard money for old rope course or they can have a course that has constructive input in it

Our neighbouring council East Dorset considered introducing these courses but after witnessing the debacle here decided a common sense resounding no concluding that it was onerous and to expensine


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Becoming a taxi driver has been the easy option for a lot of people. How you can say that drivers have been threatened with the loss of their livihood if they don't take further exams escapes me.


It may very well have been the easy option and with what life sometimes throws at you who can blame them, the point is that they met the criteria of the day which is down to the L.As.

Re the loss of livelihood, did I not read that some L.As are making it a condition of license renewal?

Toots I do not know how old you are, but as you get on and I have met many others in different professions who feel the same - you just do not need or want to be doing courses. If ever I took a lady out on a date, the taxi door was opened for her by me, drinks were paid for by me, in fact any costs relating to the night were sorted by me. At the end of the night she was seen to the door and gotten home safely, and I behaved like a gentleman at all times with no liberties taken - unless she said so, and then it is not a liberty.

They are not going to teach me anything that I do not already know or do - and that is not being pious or conceited.

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Perhaps the way some 'contracts' are given out will make people change their minds.....social services work in a number of LA's already require those wanting to do the work to have NVQ's and suchlike.

I would envisage government and health authority contracts will follow suit.

I imagine those who issue permits to stations, airports and ferry terminals will be next.

Of course, when all of this work goes the way of private hire companies.....then I guess we'll have shown them :lol:

I find it quite amazing the opposition on this........everyone complains that the job has little respect from the public and is very often viewed as a stop gap......I wonder why?

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How many doctors are compelled to pass courses supplied by private companies with little or no knowledge of the medical profession, and content better suited to a dentist or vet?

How many pilots are trained by bus drivers who want the pilots themselves to contribute the course content?

FFS

Training may be a good thing, but much of this is just a money spinning racket and it's fuelled by ignorance and political correctness.

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How many doctors are compelled to pass courses supplied by private companies with little or no knowledge of the medical profession, and content better suited to a dentist or vet?

How many pilots are trained by bus drivers who want the pilots themselves to contribute the course content?

FFS

Training may be a good thing, but much of this is just a money spinning racket and it's fuelled by ignorance and political correctness.


How many courses training cab drivers have you seen where bus drivers are the teachers?

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How many doctors are compelled to pass courses supplied by private companies with little or no knowledge of the medical profession, and content better suited to a dentist or vet?

How many pilots are trained by bus drivers who want the pilots themselves to contribute the course content?

FFS

Training may be a good thing, but much of this is just a money spinning racket and it's fuelled by ignorance and political correctness.


How many courses training cab drivers have you seen where bus drivers are the teachers?


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How many are run by people with feck all to do with the trade, except what they think they can make off it?

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How many doctors are compelled to pass courses supplied by private companies with little or no knowledge of the medical profession, and content better suited to a dentist or vet?

How many pilots are trained by bus drivers who want the pilots themselves to contribute the course content?

FFS

Training may be a good thing, but much of this is just a money spinning racket and it's fuelled by ignorance and political correctness.


How many courses training cab drivers have you seen where bus drivers are the teachers?
How many are run by people with feck all to do with the trade?

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I don't know....that's why I asked you.

I do know the main BTEC course was designed by the NPHA.......so how its taught is possibly down to interpretation?

I do know the colleges are crying out for taxi drivers to assess the NVQ's.

So I wonder from where you draw your conclusion? Although I do concede I am aware of a number of dodgy courses that have been stripped of funding.....although GA and maybe toots can give more information on them.

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How many doctors are compelled to pass courses supplied by private companies with little or no knowledge of the medical profession, and content better suited to a dentist or vet?

How many pilots are trained by bus drivers who want the pilots themselves to contribute the course content?

FFS

Training may be a good thing, but much of this is just a money spinning racket and it's fuelled by ignorance and political correctness.


How many courses training cab drivers have you seen where bus drivers are the teachers?
How many are run by people with feck all to do with the trade?

CC


I do know the colleges are crying out for taxi drivers to assess the NVQ's.



The simple fact that courses are available without taxi drivers to assess them, betrays the profit motive behind many them.
I do believe that training is a good thing, but if the course provider wants to make money from this, it is up to them to ensure that the course content is relevant, useful and taught by people who know the job.
That is what they are paid for.
We have posts on here saying some of them are going up and down ranks, bullsh*ting drivers into signing up for their courses.
Doubtless the same BS sales pitch is used when dealing with councils etc.
I think think that's shady, don't you?
Perhaps the local trade, in conjunction with their LA, should be the people organising these courses.
At least then the trade can keep it relevant to them and the motives of the providers would not be in doubt.

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The simple fact that courses are available without taxi drivers to assess them, betrays the profit motive behind many them.
I do believe that training is a good thing, but if the course provider wants to make money from this, it is up to them to ensure that the course content is relevant, useful and taught by people who know the job.
That is what they are paid for.
We have posts on here saying some of them are going up and down ranks, bullsh*ting drivers into signing up for their courses.
Doubtless the same BS sales pitch is used when dealing with councils etc.
I think think that's shady, don't you?
Perhaps the local trade, in conjunction with their LA, should be the people organising these courses.
At least then the trade can keep it relevant to them and the motives of the providers would not be in doubt.


I don't disagree with anything in your post.

However......as I'm sure you will guess / know a number of cab drivers have taken roles as assessors.......they are now ostrasiced in certain quarters....by the 'trade'.

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They are proposing to do the same down here, listen to this - it is a 60/70 hour course along similar lines as mentioned costing the drivers £250/£300.


If the Btec is taken with an NVQ it shouldn't cost drivers any money there is funding available at the moment.



Enter the second scam.

Training providers saying they need £250/£300 for the BTEC but they will do the NVQ for free.

When will people listen ............................... unless you use a recognised Institution like a local college you run the risk of being scammed big style.

These people are in it for the money and the money alone.

It should also be said that the people adding weight to the scam artists tricks are those who are burying their heads in the sand about potential outcomes regarding making qualifications mandatory.

Don't come crying when these people get the qualification mandatory so that they can make more money ........................ money that will come out of your pockets.

B. Lucky :D

We were told years ago sign up now for free or next month it will cost a fortune but still the snouts are inthe taxpayers tough


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Perhaps the local trade, in conjunction with their LA, should be the people organising these courses.
At least then the trade can keep it relevant to them and the motives of the providers would not be in doubt


This is what I said earlier. That the trade should be inputting into the courses. Get into these courses relevant stuff. It is up to taxi drivers to say no to cr@p courses.

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This is what I said earlier. That the trade should be inputting into the courses. Get into these courses relevant stuff. It is up to taxi drivers to say no to cr@p courses.


Your presuming the taxi drivers know.

Maybe the NTA should do one.....now that would be a guarantee of satisfaction :D

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This is what I said earlier. That the trade should be inputting into the courses. Get into these courses relevant stuff. It is up to taxi drivers to say no to cr@p courses.


Your presuming the taxi drivers know.

Maybe the NTA should do one.....now that would be a guarantee of satisfaction :D

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Satisfaction guaranteed :oops: sounds interesting, but, what about the courses :wink:

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