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My daughter is at uni getting qualifications and it's costing thousands of pounds.


Your daughter would leave Uni with no qualification if she doesn't pass her exams. From what I gather, these qualifications are given to everyone who completes the course.

What is the worth of a qualification which no one fails, other than to those who provide it?

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What makes you so special that you shouldn't have to pay anything towards any qualifications you might need to do a job :?


Who decides what is needed and how do they come to this conclusion?

What evidence is there that all drivers who complete these courses become better taxi drivers?


You're quite right if my daughter doesn't pass her exams she will not be able to do the job she wants to do. She works hard to attain the required skills and knowledge to become a science teacher. If she doesn't come up to scratch and regardless of how much it has cost she won't be able to do the job. There are standards she has to meet that have been laid down by qualified people within the field that she has chosen to study.

It is my belief that taxi driver training should be written by qualified people who have knowledge and experience of the trade. It is also my belief that if you don't pass the course then you shouldn't be able to do the job until you do pass a course. I also believe that the burden for financing the course should be that of the wanna be taxi driver.

The course should include all aspects of passenger transport in a taxi inc such things as the Legislation, applying for badges, plates etc. tendering for contracts, DDA, Dft, Driving abilities, health & safety, basic car maintenance, topography to name but a few of the subjects.

I believe all new drivers should do this before they attain a badge and existing drivers should be given a reasonable time to get these qualifications to bring them into line with all new drivers.

I believe that if a driver has completed the course but then gets a complaint against him/her they should be warned that any further complaints will result in having to resit the course, this should help with a quality control of drivers.

This is likely to pi$$ off most current drivers especially those that think they are God incarnate, but, it is only my opinion and I don't think I should be hung, drawn and quartered for expressing an opinion :D


Hear, hear. Very succinctly put! :D


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Give everyone a choice do you want fantastic cctv or
do you want rediculous btec No contest methinks :D :D :D :D


That's a bit like asking if you want to pay tax or have a free holiday. :lol:

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Any chance of an NVQ/Betec section ffs?

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My daughter is at uni getting qualifications and it's costing thousands of pounds.


Your daughter would leave Uni with no qualification if she doesn't pass her exams. From what I gather, these qualifications are given to everyone who completes the course.

What is the worth of a qualification which no one fails, other than to those who provide it?

toots wrote:
What makes you so special that you shouldn't have to pay anything towards any qualifications you might need to do a job :?


Who decides what is needed and how do they come to this conclusion?

What evidence is there that all drivers who complete these courses become better taxi drivers?


You're quite right if my daughter doesn't pass her exams she will not be able to do the job she wants to do. She works hard to attain the required skills and knowledge to become a science teacher. If she doesn't come up to scratch and regardless of how much it has cost she won't be able to do the job. There are standards she has to meet that have been laid down by qualified people within the field that she has chosen to study.

It is my belief that taxi driver training should be written by qualified people who have knowledge and experience of the trade. It is also my belief that if you don't pass the course then you shouldn't be able to do the job until you do pass a course. I also believe that the burden for financing the course should be that of the wanna be taxi driver.

The course should include all aspects of passenger transport in a taxi inc such things as the Legislation, applying for badges, plates etc. tendering for contracts, DDA, Dft, Driving abilities, health & safety, basic car maintenance, topography to name but a few of the subjects.

I believe all new drivers should do this before they attain a badge and existing drivers should be given a reasonable time to get these qualifications to bring them into line with all new drivers.

I believe that if a driver has completed the course but then gets a complaint against him/her they should be warned that any further complaints will result in having to resit the course, this should help with a quality control of drivers.

This is likely to pi$$ off most current drivers especially those that think they are God incarnate, but, it is only my opinion and I don't think I should be hung, drawn and quartered for expressing an opinion :D


I don't entirely disagree.

What I take issue with is courses being run by people with little or no knowledge of the trade and where the main object is to make money for the course provider.

How would you feel if your daughter went to uni to train as a science teacher, just to be told :
"We don't actually know anything about science but we will put you on a course meant for woodwork teachers. We will give you paperwork that says your qualified as a science teacher, so long as you finish the course and share your knowledge of science with us. That way we will have something to give the next one through here. BTW don't worry about any exams, everyone who turns up passes"

I dare say you'd have her whisked off to another uni PDQ.

These courses should be relevant to the taxi trade, taught by people who have extensive knowledge of the trade and the courses should have a pass/fail element. Those failing should have to re-sit.
Course providers should have their courses tailored to the trade before being paid anything. They certainly shouldn't be taking money and expecting taxi drivers to provide the course content themselves.
Courses also shouldn't be pressure sold to drivers or councils.

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Any chance of an NVQ/Betec section ffs?

Alongside the York and Dundee sections. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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These courses should be relevant to the taxi trade, taught by people who have extensive knowledge of the trade and the courses should have a pass/fail element. Those failing should have to re-sit.
Course providers should have their courses tailored to the trade before being paid anything. They certainly shouldn't be taking money and expecting taxi drivers to provide the course content themselves.
Courses also shouldn't be pressure sold to drivers or councils.


I agree. It should be a trade lead course. I often wonder where the information for this course actually came from and who instigated it in the first place. Don't misunderstand my query I still believe that all taxis drivers should have a professional qualification it should just be a more appropriate one :D

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Elsewhere, there was a link to a new professional drivers and chauffeurs institute. It will be a long time before his well intentioned aims are achieved but he's making a start.

In other professions I have been connected with, the main professional association admits members by examination. The Law Society is for solicitors, the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors is for surveyors, The National Association of Estate Agents is for agents.....etc.

In all cases, you have to pass exams to gain full membership, normally taking a minimum of three years. Each association will also require Continuing Professional Developement (CPD) which entails a set number of hours per year attending courses, conferences etc.

These institutions are now so well recognised that they are often the only association for their trade. The same principal applies to doctors, dentists, nurses, auctioneers, etc, etc.. The high standards of professionalism promoted by the associations are backed up by disciplinary powers, the ultimate sanction being expulsion, which can prevent an individual from practising.

Are these the standards to which we should aspire? I think so and I think some of you will to. Ultimately, we don't stop learning until we are in our box and anyone who says they know everything there is to know about this business is a fool and doesn't deserve to be consulted about improving standards in the trade.


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Cabbyman I think I wuv you :lol: :lol:

But seriously though I think it should be an aim for the trade to become professional. It should be so that we are respected for what we do and for the service that we provide.

I'm proud to my job but I'm fed up to back teeth of people asking me if have I another job a 'proper job'. This must be the only job you do that people say that about

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Cabbyman I think I wuv you :lol: :lol:



So what am I so afraid of, I'm afraid that I'm not sure of, a love there is no cure for,......

We could write a song! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Seriously, one association, mandatory membership recognised by all interested parties, one set of standards backed by discipline. The nearest we have to it is in London. The rest of the country's a total mess.


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Cabbyman I think I wuv you :lol: :lol:



So what am I so afraid of, I'm afraid that I'm not sure of, a love there is no cure for,......

We could write a song! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Seriously, one association, mandatory membership recognised by all interested parties, one set of standards backed by discipline. The nearest we have to it is in London. The rest of the country's a total mess.


I think after we finish the song we are going to have our first argument. I think London is a mess just like the rest of the country. Ffs they don't even have any kind of knowledge test for the PH there, they can't control the touts and there's other I'm not quite sure about yet :D

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Seriously, one association, mandatory membership recognised by all interested parties, one set of standards backed by discipline. The nearest we have to it is in London. The rest of the country's a total mess.


London is a total mess :shock:

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Ah, yes, of course, I'm writing from a hackney viewpoint. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted! :cry:


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I was chatting up Toots. You posted in the middle and spoiled it... [-(


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Ah, yes, of course, I'm writing from a hackney viewpoint. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted! :cry:


When I grow up I want to be a HC :wink:

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I was chatting up Toots. You posted in the middle and spoiled it... [-(


There's always one :roll: Mind you I is a good girl and don't do being chatted up online O:)

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