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Well you either don't restrict plates or you have people trading in them.

You can't have it both ways.

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Dundee rocks. Almost.

Trev, if we get what we want, there is no sale of licences.

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

Good, then Alastair will have to find another way to subsidise his benefits

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Trev, you've just fecked yourself . . ..

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

benefits

im off the radar pal.

have been for years.

i dont sponge off others

you only have to look in the mirror trev and mr squarepants will be staring right back at ya

have i upset you trev

No.

Trev just want's you to play the game.

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

How about this one. You restrict plates and then stick to the law and not allow them to be sold even if they are attached to a shed

Perhaps managed de-limition is that a possibility

Better still one man one plate and no trading

Why should it be that just because you restrict plates they should be traded in, that's a load of bollox just because it's been allowed so far, it is, I am told illegal. I don't know why you lot don't put as much effort in making sure the law is followed as you do trying to change it

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

Thank F*ck Toots, it takes a cabbie who has blonde moments to start answering the obvious, it’s the enforcement of our conditions that controls our licence going the other road that everyone is shouting for just f*cks it up for everyone.

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Watch out curiosity killed the cat

The law in Scotland says that plates are non-transferable. Some are issued to individuals, others are issued to companies (usually a limited company or limited liability partnership).
There is nothing in the law which prevents the sale of a company from one person to another. (in law a company is also a person )


No. This would require a change in the law.
The only legal way to restrict plates in Scotland is if the council "is satisfied" their is no unmet SUD. The onus of proof is on the council.
Any significant demand and they must grant all live applications.



This too would require a change in the law.


The law is a mess, with police and LAs not bothering to enforce it. Many don't even understand it themselves. The same can also be said for many in the trade.

Why should councils issue taxi or PH drivers badges to any fool with money and a driving licence, then refuse them a licence for their own taxi?
Wouldn't it be easier to restrict the number of drivers badges, ensuring those issued went to the best applicants?
After all, a taxi or PH doesn't drive itself.
You can't buy, sell or hire out a badge; nor can you leave it in your will to someone else. They also can't be held by a company.
100 drivers will drive at most 100 vehicles. If there is no limit on cabs, most will be owned by the drivers themselves.
100 vehicles can be driven by 200 or more drivers, with non driving owners also creaming a living from them.

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The onus of proof is on the council Gusmac?

Not according to CEC. Fascist Keir stated at the rehearing of my licence apploication, you know the one where they asked the court to remit it back to the committee so they could refuse it a second time, that the applicant had shown no evidence that there was any SUD and refuse the application.

CEC make it up as they go along. They are doing everything they can, pulling every stunt, interpreting the Law in any way the want, just to refuse licences.

Consider this:

The council is allowed to refuse taxi licences "... if, and only if, there is significant demand for taxi services in the area which is unmet". That's what the Law says. The council is required to have robust information showing that no unmet demand exists in order to refuse licence applications.

In 2005, then Cllr Wigglesworth declared he wanted to go on record to say that the council's information was flawed. Despite this, the council refused 41 licence applications.

In 2007, now convener of the Regulatory Committee (RC), Cllr Wigglesworth stated that the council's information was only good for the few ranks surveyed. Despite this incomplete information, the council once again refused 2 licences.

In 2009, at the February RC meeting, the council's own information showed a significant unmet demand highlighted in December. The /Evening News/ reported this. Despite this, and obviously programmed only to refuse licences in line with council "policy", the RC deferred its decision until the next meeting, when it brought forward another false claim of "no significant unmet demand" and refused another licence.

The council has refused licences with flawed and incomplete information - as well as when they had information showing a significant unmet demand which justified granting a licence.

Now Gusmac, how does this fit in with obeying the Law?

No, it does not.
Regardless of how CEC may operate, the law requires them to prove there is no SUD.
CEC have demonstrated many times that they are prepared to ignore the rules and leave applicants to seek redress from the courts. Clearly they do not wish to issue new plates, regardless of what the law says. It also seems to me that they intend to make the whole process prohibitively expensive and as difficult as possible for anyone who tries.

BTW Jim, when was the last time CEC granted a plate application without the applicant having to resort to the law?

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Well plates can't be bought and sold legally in Dundee Toots, but there's a big black market in hired plates, which is illegal.

They've been trying to do something about it for years, but basically it's very difficult to enforce. As Over & Out said in another thread there's a list of about 160, which is about a third of the fleet.

Even if they could do that then there's nothing to stop them running a car legally and hiring out the car and plate, either way it's a charter for parasites.

And take no notice of what O&O is saying - the other day he was going on about the problem of hire plates and how to get rid of them. But now that I've pointed out that capping the town would only increase the problem he's trying to deny it's a major problem

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Dundee rocks. Almost.

i think weve sussed were over and out is coming from.

You want to eradicate hired plates? Take the most obvious one's licence and when he appears in court to try to get it back, just get the councils solicitor to ask him to produce his last 3 years audited accounts from the taxman and if he can't produce accounts showing incoming and outgoing expenditure then his licence is gone for good.

Then you will either see lots of licences being returned or you will find when they're licence is confiscated they will no challenge in court.

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Watch out curiosity killed the cat