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btw just so you know once ph reach critical mass and there numbers match or exceed that of the hacks

then there is nothing to stop them doing what they like....there will simply be to many of them....and there will be little political will to stop them.
this is the consequenses of no managed growth and the belief that the status quo is the way forward

Ph are struggling just like we are. Their drivers are leaving in big numbers just like hack drivers are. MARKET FORCES !

Don't believe the hype !

no its not. The folks that struggle to pay for a plate thats in short supply is against all that is fair, & just because some can afford it ...well that makes it all right then. Get your head out yer ass and tell me that a piece of plastic on yer bumper is worth 20k & motor 30k. You may be daft enough to pay it, but us normals think its a tad too expensive.

Juist because you don't have the "know how" or the "get up and go" there are amongst us who do. We are the guys you would rely on to feed you if government were ever to fail and you had to fend for yourself. NO FAIR ?
Don't make me laugh. Take your finger oot yer arse and go see how easy things can become with a lttle knowledge and a little knowhow, anything is possible ! Just remember, I was a driver too. Does that make me the enemy all of a sudden ?? Think aboot mate !

get up and go know how
my my how youve convinced yourself
youll be telling us next youre a business man

ffs pal you signed a loan agreement nothing more

You really are deluded.

PH have just joined together.

Without the driver controls for real cabbies, they can introduce any number of vehicles they want.

In Glasgow there are around 1400 taxis, 3500 PH. This what we want in Edinburgh?

We have an opportunity now, and only now, to prevent PH reaching the critical mass that will reduce real taxis to bit part players.

De-limitation will bring a surge in numbers. But it will be a surge limited by driver controls. It will nip in the bud PH expanding for economic reasons.

Failure to seize this opoportuniy will see PH coninue to expand wit no driver controls, and no legal impediment, to prevent them overwhelming us, then dictating to us.

Without de-limitation to bring to bear the only chance we have of controlling them, I fear for our future.

It starts with PH taking contract customers from our taxi companies, undercuting 'till the pips squeak. The stolen company information will give them a head start.

Think on!!!

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I Know How to put on my spell check to start with. But bitching aside you dont seem to see the big picture. Why should a driver have to fork out for a license that is worthless. I will give you an example[because theres a big world out there]. Mr butty bar owner wants to start up. He takes his basic hygeine cert then goes to his local council for his license. [normally no charge] He must then buy a quality catering trailer. He may get a brand new one for £8000. But what if his local council...YOUR local council tell him his license is 20k then he must only use joebloggs catering trailers which cost 30k. If you were Mr butty bar you would say BAAA BAAA then shrug your shoulders pay your money[cos you can afford it and you are so clever cos you have done all your costings] and blindly follow the councils advice...some may say your dumb.

ok dokey, I can see I'm banging my head against a brick wall here. You obviously have your argument set in stone and are not willing to listen to other peoples opinion. That's fine, I'll just have to agree to disagree. Over and out !

[quote="Santa Claus"]Jasbar:

De-limitation is fair to drivers and passengers. End of.


Jasbar you dont half talk some p*%$.

what about the poor bugger thats paid £X amount to get his own taxi

on the road?? De-limitations no very fair to them...

But then again if you can get the free use of a plate then who cares

as long as your ok........

Why dont you do what everybody else does that wants their own business
I think you mean SILLY poor bugger. The idiots who bought a plate over the odds [I can think of at least one man]didn’t worry how fair it was when they paid stupid money for them, therefore increasing there pretend value ...fools gold comes to mind. £2.50 plate for 20k. That’s just a case of throwing money at a problem to get an edge over your colleagues. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

What chickens are coming home to roost mate ?? Have you any idea what's going on up here ? Or are you just mumping your gums as per ? These boys want to shaft the Taxi trade in Edinburgh because they have a long and bitter fued going on with .............well everyone ! As for me being stupid because I paid the going rate for my plate, then ok then i hold my hands up, i must be stupid then ! No more stupid than the boys that back dereg and then find that they can't make more than50 quid on a saturday night ! Who's gonne look stupid then i ask ! Do ye really think JT will be one of the mugs sitting in a swarm of cabs full of tom dick and harry's ? No chance ! His wee war will have been won and i'll wager he'll then up sticks and leave the city !

According to you. Where did you glean this wonderful piece of foresight?

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Well its a start then you admit your stupid ..fair comment. Would you also conceed that you are trying to keep cab numbers at an amount that you deem ''a reasonable level''. I am not asking you for a specific number just an admission that you would prefer to keep the status quo.
If this is correct & I suspect it is. You are trying to manipulate the market by keeping the product scarce. You will only annoy your customers by keeping them waiting longer. They will then ring a PH and use them instead.
If you issue plates for free you will find that most of the applicantes for the new plates will be current PH drivers. Your ranks will be swelled with new blood & this creates new opportunities.
I accept your argument that there may be more HC's =less rank work in the short term, but it will recover. I also accept that you are concerned that your 50k investment may have been waisted. It is a worry I know but it was you and others who put on a false price on the plates in the first place.The same can be said of house prices. If there is a great demand they tend to increase in value.
Some of the clever would-be house buyers, realise that they can buy a small plot & build there own house for 60% of the price of a similar second hand one. Would you condone them, or applaude them.

The same thing has happened in Chester. They dereg HC plates. There are more HC's [10+]now but I know at least 5 owners of 8 seater PH minibuses that have folded due to competition from the 8 seater HC's. I also recon that at least 2 more are thinking about jacking in when their bus is ready for the scrap yard. Its called market forces.
In this case the PH have suffered because of dereg of HC's. You carn't make it up can you????

Think about it, how many cabs will there be if we ever do dereg ??? Many hundreds maybe thousands more than we have now. Just have a wee look at Dublin. 50 quid might be pushing it

It depends on the conditions of dereg. Can you tell me what Dublin dereg conditions were? [sorry for my ignorance]. I can tell you from experience of Flintshire that they did dereg & decimated the HC trde. There are about 4 HC's now. They imposed WAVS on us. Not only did your average HC driver have to fork out 25k+ for a new vehicle he lost all rights to drive a saloon car HC as well. Perhaps this situation is similar to Dublin

Dublin has no controls, apart from the application fee. Anyone can drive a taxi and it can be any type of vehicle. No quality controls at all.
Numbers swelled to the stage they had something like 25,000 licenced taxis.
It's the worst example of how to delimit badly.

Any comparison with Edinburgh is well wide of the mark and is just scaremongering from the plateholders, nothing more.
Unless they are going to scrap their knowledge test and allow any type of vehicle to be plated, that is simply not going to happen.

BTK would have you believe that scrapping the cap on licences will bring a flood of new taxis on the roads. This is probably true to a certain extent but they will be driven mostly by the same guys who are renting cabs at the moment.
What will happen, and this is what they really fear, is that the rental income most of them get from their 'jockey' will disappear, along with the value of their plate - a value most of them borrowed heavily to buy into.
The lenders won't accept a plate as collateral, but they will accept a house.

Interesting that the majority of UK LA's have no limit on numbers.
Yet Dublin remains as the worst case of badly managed deregulation the restrictionists can find - and it's not even in the UK

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