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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:35 pm 
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Alimo wrote:
Since there has been no reply to my request for more information from the post by Mr Doom I'll try to quantify some of his post.

"some use a 20 year old Cadillac that was finnished the day it left New York "
My question here is, who operates a 20 year old Cadillac ? I havent a clue who does and its certainly not me.

"and others use brand new Hummers etc"

Would that be the Hummers manufactured by AM General ?
If so, I refer to an article in the Detroit Press where AM General confirmed that the Hummers are not recommended for stretching, their spokesman at the company's headquarters in South Bend, Ind, a Mr Craig Macnab said "we don't like it ( stretching Hummers ) we don't encourage it, it voids all warranties ".

And while I'm on, here's what Mr Mike Perugi ( brand manager for the Chrysler 300 ) had to say "we don't have anything to do with that ( stretching their cars into Limo's) the company can't stop Limousine-makers from converting cars and selling them. It does void the Chrysler warranty"

Back to Dooms post : "How the caddies are ever allowed on is beyond me"

My view is, how the vehicles manufactured by AM General and Chrysler are ever allowed on.............................................. is beyond me !

I now refer to the Detroit Press article again : Quote

Only Cadillac and Lincoln build factory models designed for Limousine conversion by speciality manufacturers. Converting other vehicles into Limo's generally voids warranties and sometimes comes with stern warnings from manufacturers.

To close, I own and operate a manufacturer certified vehicle, built by a certified manufacturer.

Hope that the above is a clear enough dissemination of Mr Dooms post.


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wannabeeahack wrote:
your standard yank has soggy handling, less HP per ltr than a lawnmower and trim quality of a cheap Honk Kong souvenir, visit an american car centre and check the seats, headlining and switchgear,...... and i love yanks!

Top gear tried a corvette, a saleen mustang and a GT40, hardly run of the mill yanks and none ive seen stretched, and even then he commented on the corvette managing to have soggy but bone jarring ride, almost impossible!


So, you didn't see Top Gear do the Charger, the new Corvette or the Cadillac then ?
typical pre-set view at the start of their programme, fell in love with them by the end of the programme ( and yes, it included bends and the speed test ) oh dear :oops:

AND, if you want to see how much horse power a Cadillac has ( when driven badly ) go to you tube and type in "Limo Chase"............. and NO mine does not do 150mph plus ..................... since I fitted a limiter on it.


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I have no doubt there are some good ones in there somewhere but 99% of the yank-tanks are NOT corvettes or cadillacs, and lets be right about it, some are real eyesores

I like the chevy lacetti though............ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

and the matiz... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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wannabeeahack wrote:
99% of the yank-tanks are NOT corvettes or cadillacs


And well over 99% of cars on British roads are not Rolls Royce either are they. What a pathetic argument. :mrgreen:

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wannabeeahack wrote:
99% of the yank-tanks are NOT corvettes or cadillacs


And well over 99% of cars on British roads are not Rolls Royce either are they. What a pathetic argument. :mrgreen:


I never said they were

but given the choice of a caddy or a roller i know which most would choose...

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wannabeeahack wrote:
99% of the yank-tanks are NOT corvettes or cadillacs


And well over 99% of cars on British roads are not Rolls Royce either are they. What a pathetic argument. :mrgreen:


I never said they were

but given the choice of a caddy or a roller i know which most would choose...


I have owned a Roller and from a drivers point of view I would probably go for the Caddy now.

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grandad wrote:
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wannabeeahack wrote:
99% of the yank-tanks are NOT corvettes or cadillacs


And well over 99% of cars on British roads are not Rolls Royce either are they. What a pathetic argument. :mrgreen:


I never said they were

but given the choice of a caddy or a roller i know which most would choose...


I have owned a Roller and from a drivers point of view I would probably go for the Caddy now.



that will be some comfort to passengers

i didnt know drivers needs were paramount for limo's....

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Ok, only just clocked the reply to my last post.

My point is, a 20 yr old car is basically mechanically finished, imagine you rang a cab and some bloke turned up in a mid 80's Cavalier, complete with tatty interior and rust, maybe where you are the stock is newer, but the ones I see running about are old clapped out wrecks imo.


And if I don't reply to you within ten minutes it's probably because I've gone out to work, not because I have no answer. :wink:


May I suggest that you go to www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk and check out the Cadillacs up for sale, some are as old as 1932 in mint condition and pulling prices far in excess of new cars. Ask yourself which company invented the control system we use to this day ( clutch pedal left Brake pedal middle accelerator right ) and who invented the starter motor ( which up until its invention required the use of a starting handle ) or which company was the first to fit a night vision system in a car. Cadillac !

What most seem to miss is the simple fact that these cars are high end luxury cars that are built to last a whole lot longer than a standard lower end car, it didn't stop Maddona and Ali G riding in an 80's designed Lincoln Limo on their video ! Its not a fair comparison to place a Lincoln or a Cadillac in the same category as a Cavalier as they are built to different criteria to fit their respective markets, how any car is looked after is far more important than their age and yes, whilst we do have some tatty cars here we also have some excellent ones as well ( just like our own home market ).




I'm not saying Caddies, Lincoln/Fords are bad cars, I'm saying that an old car is an old car, and when you see some of the clapped out tin running about down here, you just know it shouldn't be otr with paying customers.


@ Wannabe, every ten year old LTi or Metrocab I've come across is only good for spares, granted they do a recon on some of the older ones, but a car thats done 200k already suffers from Keith Moon syndrome, fine if you like a bucket of nuts soundtrack all night, but me personally I think it's a better idea to have newish cars, looks more professional as well.


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wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
99% of the yank-tanks are NOT corvettes or cadillacs


And well over 99% of cars on British roads are not Rolls Royce either are they. What a pathetic argument. :mrgreen:


I never said they were

but given the choice of a caddy or a roller i know which most would choose...


I have owned a Roller and from a drivers point of view I would probably go for the Caddy now.



that will be some comfort to passengers

i didnt know drivers needs were paramount for limo's....


At what point in this thread has passenger comfort come into anything. As I read things it has been about driving and the people testing the drivability of the cars. A Rolls Royce is a very comfortable car to travel in and a very comfortable car to drive but I found that the driving experience was below what I expected. The Bentley is far better and the one Caddy that I have driven was very nice to drive. I also had a Lincoln Towncar that was not stretched and it was superb to drive.

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Id still say that build quality on the Roller far exceeds any Yank, as does BMW and Mercedes.

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wannabeeahack wrote:
Id still say that build quality on the Roller far exceeds any Yank, as does BMW and Mercedes.


I think the price differnce between a Roller, Merc & BMW compeard with a yank does have something to do with it. you get what you pay for..

If any limo is Licensed then I cant see a problem its the Scum that are not Licensed or run none COIF 4x4 limos I have a problem with using the self drive scam.
If its Licensed leave it alone, put your efforts into stopping the ones that knowingly cant or wont License that needs stopping.


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If VOSA, LAs and the cops cant be arsed to stop the "tart carts" (love that by the way), what chance the rest of us?

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wannabeeahack wrote:
If VOSA, LAs and the cops cant be arsed to stop the "tart carts" (love that by the way), what chance the rest of us?

It's all our jobs to ensure they are arsed.

I know of some people who are on the VOSA case, and will not let go. :wink:

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wannabeeahack wrote:
If VOSA, LAs and the cops cant be arsed to stop the "tart carts" (love that by the way), what chance the rest of us?

It's all our jobs to ensure they are arsed.

I know of some people who are on the VOSA case, and will not let go. :wink:


good for them, but im yet to see any unlicensed limos nicked in staffordshire locally

then again, I had to comply with an age limit to plate here when all around this LA I see w-reg mondeos plated so i begin to wonder exactly who the mug is...

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Wannabeahack, I would suggest that you have a talk with your LA about the age restriction, its far more important that they consider the condition of a vehicle rather than have an age limit, I've seen some pretty beat up 2 year old cars that they wouldn't want licenced, quality and condition is by far and away the best criteria to assess any vehicle. Its worth a try if you have a car in excellent condition.


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