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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:18 pm 
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Ali.T, Gusmac etc etc

I am no legal brain and I am sure you have read this before, I think I have read it correctly ( but then again maybe not hence the post).

'The Appellant' CEC, had appealed to extend the 6 months for good reason but were ultimately refused. Is that correct?
I know it is not relevant to the existing situation but it might well do in the future.
Can you basically in laymans terms detail the outcome, ie did the guys get their plates or did CEC win.

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EXTRA DIVISION, INNER HOUSE, COURT OF SESSION



Lord Johnston
Lord Clarke
Lord Penrose











[2007] CSIH 22
XA80/06, XA78/06 and XA79/06



OPINION OF THE COURT



delivered by LORD JOHNSTON



in



APPEAL



From the Sheriffdom of Lothian and Borders at Edinburgh



in the cause



THE CITY OF EDINBURGH COUNCIL

Applicants and Appellants;



against



DAWN SALTERI, JACK LEITHHEAD STEWART and NICHOLAS FORSYTH

Respondents



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Act: Armstrong, Q.C., Simpson; Gillian Lindsay, Solicitor, City of Edinburgh Council (Applicants and Appellants)

Alt: No appearance (Respondents)



23 March 2007



[1] These are conjoined appeals in respect of three applications by the respondents to the appellants in respect of potential taxi licenses in terms of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982, consequent upon an application by the appellants to the sheriff in respect of an attempt to extend the time limit for consideration of the respondents' applications. In each case the sheriff refused the application, and, on appeal to the sheriff principal he did likewise. These appeals are now brought to us.

[2] It has to be stated that in the course of the hearing before us, at which the respondents were not represented, the court raised an issue of competency as to the appeal from the sheriff to the sheriff principal and thereafter on to this court, which matter was considered before the sheriff principal but not by the sheriff.

[3] The concern that we had was that these appeals might be precluded by section 50 of the Sheriff Courts (Scotland) Act 1907 which addresses the issue of appeals or lack of it in relation to summary applications to the Sheriff Court. In this respect counsel referred us to Arcari v County Council of the County of Dumbarton 1948 S.C. 62 and Rodenhurst v Chief Constable of Grampian Police 1992 S.C. 195. In respect of Arcari the point was specifically considered by the Lord President on page 66 and in Rodenhurst by the Lord Justice Clerk on page 11. The substance of those decisions is that an appeal is competent in the ordinary course in respect of a summary application where it is properly to be regarded that a lis exists and, equally importantly, that the sheriff is performing a judicial rather than an administrative function. This latter function is evidenced by the need for him to provide a written judgment in terms of section 50. We consider that in this case both these factors are satisfied, there being effectively a contest between the licensing authority, the appellants, and the taxi applicants, and that equally written judgments were issued. It is also to be noted that an appeal on precisely the same point was taken before Sheriff Principal Caplan in [edited by admin] District Council v Payne 1988 S.L.T. (Sh. Ct.) 21 where the issue of competency appears to have been accepted and is briefly referred to in the judgment. In these circumstances we consider that these appeals were properly taken from the sheriff to the sheriff principal and thereafter to us and require therefore to be dealt with on the merits.

[4] The relevant legislation which is to be found in the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 is as follows:

"3.-(1) For the purpose of the discharge of their functions under this Part of this Act, every licensing authority shall consider, within 3 months of its having been made to them under paragraph 1 of Schedule 2 to this Act, each application so made and, subject to the following provisions of this section, reach a final decision on it within 6 months.

(2) On summary application by the licensing authority within the 6 month period referred to in subsection (1) above, the sheriff may, if it appears to him that there is good reason to do so, extend that period as he thinks fit.

(3) The applicant shall be entitled to be a party to a summary application under subsection (2) above.

(4) Where the licensing authority have failed to reach a final decision on the application before the expiry of-

(a) the 6 month period referred to in subsection (1) above, or

(b) such further period as the sheriff may have specified on application

under subsection (2) above,

the licence applied for shall be deemed to have been granted or, as the case may be, renewed unconditionally on the date of such expiry and shall remain in force for one year, but this subsection is without prejudice to the powers of revocation under section 7(6)(a) of this Act, of variation under paragraph 10 of Schedule 1 to this Act and of suspension under paragraphs 11 and 12 of that Schedule and to the provisions of paragraph 8(5) of that Schedule.

(5) The licensing authority shall make out and deliver the licence to the applicant to whom it has been deemed to have been granted under subsection (4) above".

[5] Section 10(3) is also relevant which is in the following terms:

" ... the grant of a taxi licence may be refused by a licensing authority for the purpose of limiting the number of taxis in respect of which licenses are granted by them if, but only if, they are satisfied there is no significant demand for the services of taxis in their area which is unmet".

[6] There was no significant difference in relation to fact as far as the three applications are concerned beyond the fact they were all presented on slightly different dates, but were all made in March 2005 and the 6 month period accordingly expired in September 2005. The present applications to the sheriff were made immediately before the expiry of that 6 month period, in respect of each case.

[7] Counsel in his submissions to us demonstrated how the appellants approached the matter in terms of their duties under section 3.

[8] For some time, apparently, the licensing authority had decided to control the issue of licenses by a policy which was dependent upon demand or, in the case of a refusal, lack of it. This followed upon an extensive period of deregulation which we were told had not been successful. The determination of an issue of demand was achieved by instructing consultants to conduct surveys from time to time involving a number of activities on their part, and to advise the Council as to whether or not there was a demand for taxis in the context of further applications. Once such surveys were, from time to time, completed they were submitted initially to a group called the Hire Car Licensing Consultation Group which was in informal, non-statutory body comprising stakeholders interested in the provision of taxi services. The matter was then referred to the appellants' Taxi and Private Hire Car Regulatory Committee who would consider the report in question before making recommendations to the Council, whose final decision it was in respect of the granting or refusing of an application.

[9] We were informed in respect of the present applications that a survey was under review during the relevant period i.e. after March 2005 and by the time it became available the process of first of all consulting the group and thereafter referring the matter to the Council Committee, would take too long in practical terms to enable the process to be completed within the time limit and thus this was said to be "the good reason" for extending the six month period and hence the present applications by the appellants.

[10] The first observation we have to make is that the substance of the sheriff principal's decision did not address the issue of good reason at all but rather the time imposed in respect of the word "consider" in section 3(1) as if that were a separate and self-contained statutory requirement of the process. He determined that that three month period had not been met, notwithstanding the fact that within the papers was a letter to the respondent dated 5 April 2005 both setting out the policy of the local authority and also informing the applicant of the fact that there was a waiting list, apparently of some hundred people, seeking to acquire taxi licenses.

[11] Whether or not that amounted to in itself to consideration in terms of section 3(1) seems to us to be immaterial. Section 3(1) envisages a process that must be begun within three months and, subject to extension, be completed within six months. The crucial time limit is the six month period which is the deadline the Council must meet, failing which the licence will be automatically granted unless there is an extension granted by the sheriff. It is our view of the statute that the Council, while required to take applications into active consideration within the three month period, are not penalised if they fail to do so, what matters is the failure to meet the six month period with a determination.

[12] In our opinion, therefore, the sheriff principal approached the matter on the wrong basis. He did not address the issue of good reason and we therefore are unable to accept his approach. That being so the issue of "good reason" is now before us for consideration.

[13] In this respect it is important to understand the scheme of the legislation which imposes strict time limits in terms of section 3 with only limited relief. We have some difficulty with the phrase "good reason" but we are entirely satisfied that the appellants, in seeking an extension, must both put forward a reason which can be categorised as good and persuade the sheriff in his discretion to grant the extension. That, counsel submitted, is what the appellants here had done, having regard to the fact that their own procedures had not been fulfilled in the course of the six month period, which he submitted justified the application.

[14] In our opinion this approach is totally flawed having regard to the terms of the legislation. The entitlement of the authority to seek an extension of the period an application to the sheriff should be regarded as a relief to be exercised only in exceptional circumstances. In the present case the appellants had embarked upon a voluntary policy not so much based on supply and demand, although that obviously featured, but rather directed towards section 10(3) which enabled them to refuse an application if they were satisfied that there was no significant demand for additional taxis. Thus, the local authority had determined that their decision-making process should depend upon section 10(3), apparently in every case. This was an entirely voluntary imposition on their procedures which they were not required to carry out. In terms of the statute they could have refused every application when it was originally made or equally have allowed them to be granted by default at the end of the six month period. It is they who have voluntarily accepted the burden of satisfying the sheriff if they are putting forward as a good reason lack of demand that there was no significant demand at the relevant time, which means at the time when the application was being considered. Simply to fail to meet procedural elements in the process regulated by consultation and meetings of Committees did not remotely amount, in our opinion, to meeting the provisions of section 3(2) in the context of section 10(3). It may be that having embarked upon this policy the local authority must keep constantly under review the issue of supply and demand so as to be able to give a reason for refusal in that context on the basis that in each case that they are considering they are satisfied there is no significant demand for further licenses.

[15] In our opinion this self-imposed burden, whatever may be the problems of procedure with regard to consultation with interest groups and by Committee, cannot amount to a "good reason" for not determining a licence application within six months, as required by section 3, being the linchpin of the whole procedure. It is to be noted that in terms of section 10(3) the refusal issue is predicated on the word "may". If therefore, in our opinion, the relevant licensing authority, here the appellants, chooses to go down that route it must be satisfied that the relevant criteria in terms of the section are met.

[16] In the present case it would appear that no such satisfaction could be obtained in the relevant time because of the local authority's procedures. That does not appear to us to be a "good reason". As to what might constitute a "good reason", we reserve our opinion.

[17] For these reasons, which differ from those of the sheriff principal, these appeals will be refused.

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six plates were granted as a result of that judgement me being one of them.
have you been living under a stone :?: :?:


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Ali,

wisnae around in 2007, sorry mate..

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Jinky wrote:
Ali,

wisnae around in 2007, sorry mate..

you 18 month old baby's get smarter everyday :lol: :lol:


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ALI T wrote:
you 18 month old baby's get smarter everyday :lol: :lol:


Yeah, look at Ali, from retard to plate baron ffs

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Don’t be rude Ali, simple question asked without prejudice. :cry:


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Don’t be rude Ali, simple question asked without prejudice. :cry:


Ali answers everything on the defensive, I wish he'd played for NUFC for last years FFS

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losing youre status sure lost you youre sense of humor cc


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ALI T wrote:
losing youre status sure lost you youre sense of humor cc


PMSL....aint lost your's :wink:

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ALI T wrote:
losing youre status sure lost you youre sense of humor cc


PMSL....aint lost your's :wink:

CC
i find everything funny
just ask the boys at the regulatory meeting
while they were all tooled up with maths proffesors and half the amozon forest in paperwork and thier impotent arguments
i was happily admiring the the architechture of the chambers with nothing but a packet of fags in my pocket and a wry grin on my face.

2 sentences from me and the plates were in the bag.
but i knew the outcome weeks before

now thats funny :lol: :lol:


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ALI T wrote:
captain cab wrote:
ALI T wrote:
losing youre status sure lost you youre sense of humor cc


PMSL....aint lost your's :wink:

CC
i find everything funny
just ask the boys at the regulatory meeting
while they were all tooled up with maths proffesors and half the amozon forest in paperwork and thier impotent arguments
i was happily admiring the the architechture of the chambers with nothing but a packet of fags in my pocket and a wry grin on my face.

2 sentences from me and the plates were in the bag.
but i knew the outcome weeks before

now thats funny :lol: :lol:
How did you know the outcome weeks before ? pray tell!


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Ali,

TBH you cant spell professors, and you won, to me that's great, it proves even the biggest f*ckwit can have his day, please don't take that as a put down.

Just remember, I dont give a t*ss, it wasnt my fight, and the people you beat can spell properly and havent got a f*cking clue.

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captain cab wrote:
Ali,

TBH you cant spell professors, and you won, to me that's great, it proves even the biggest f*ckwit can have his day, please don't take that as a put down.

Just remember, I dont give a t*ss, it wasnt my fight, and the people you beat can spell properly and havent got a f*cking clue.

CC

oh dear! who rattled your cage?
you remind me of fasties mob
all that pent up anger,anyway why havent they got a clue ?
and youre right even you had youre day but thats all in the past eh shrimp :lol:


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Smoked Glass wrote:
ALI T wrote:
captain cab wrote:
ALI T wrote:
losing youre status sure lost you youre sense of humor cc


PMSL....aint lost your's :wink:

CC
i find everything funny
just ask the boys at the regulatory meeting
while they were all tooled up with maths proffesors and half the amozon forest in paperwork and thier impotent arguments
i was happily admiring the the architechture of the chambers with nothing but a packet of fags in my pocket and a wry grin on my face.

2 sentences from me and the plates were in the bag.
but i knew the outcome weeks before

now thats funny :lol: :lol:
How did you know the outcome weeks before ? pray tell!

the language and the terms of a letter i recieved weeks before.
the council solicitors advise was basically that there fecked and no chance of winning in court.


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ALI T wrote:
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Ali,

TBH you cant spell professors, and you won, to me that's great, it proves even the biggest f*ckwit can have his day, please don't take that as a put down.

Just remember, I dont give a t*ss, it wasnt my fight, and the people you beat can spell properly and havent got a f*cking clue.

CC

oh dear! who rattled your cage?
you remind me of fasties mob
all that pent up anger,anyway why havent they got a clue ?
and youre right even you had youre day but thats all in the past eh shrimp :lol:


That was the most suppotrive case your gonna get from me.

Nobody rattled any cage, I think its great you won, and think ECC are great for accepting applications in crayon too!

My day is the future....because I'm younger than you, and therefore you'll die before me....which is great too!

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