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So are the disabled in rural areas less important than those in urban areas?

Of course not, but if there are no taxis, then there will be no WAV taxis.

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So are the disabled in rural areas less important than those in urban areas?
Or do they simply not have disabled people in rural areas?

Nope..just as many per head of population....but in a rural are there is no ranks for them to find a TAXI...they would have to pre book....and if they pre book then not every vehicle would need to be WAV..only the vehicle that was sent out to collect them would need to be a WAV if thats what they required...and theres enough WAVs going about to operate in such a manner...Simple

Under your theory, you would expect that proprietors would volunteer to buy WAVs in rural areas & I don't think that is likely, given the increased cost of the vehicles.

So the only sure-fire way of ensuring wheelchair disabled do have HCs or even PHs in their area is for the government to legislate. As I've said before; do the government care about the cost of a vehicle you must buy / have to do the job in the manner that they legislate? Of course they don't!!

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So are the disabled in rural areas less important than those in urban areas?

Of course not, but if there are no taxis, then there will be no WAV taxis.


The same is true anywhere surely?

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So are the disabled in rural areas less important than those in urban areas?

Of course not, but if there are no taxis, then there will be no WAV taxis.

The same is true anywhere surely?

And if there are no taxis in a given area, because they have all deserted the HC trade & moved to PH because they won't buy WAV taxis, what do you think the government will do?

And don't you think they have already thought of that one?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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So are the disabled in rural areas less important than those in urban areas?

Of course not, but if there are no taxis, then there will be no WAV taxis.

The same is true anywhere surely?

And if there are no taxis in a given area, because they have all deserted the HC trade & moved to PH because they won't buy WAV taxis, what do you think the government will do?

And don't you think they have already thought of that one?


Of course they have. That's why PH are included in the Equality Bill as well.

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So are the disabled in rural areas less important than those in urban areas?

Of course not, but if there are no taxis, then there will be no WAV taxis.

The same is true anywhere surely?

And if there are no taxis in a given area, because they have all deserted the HC trade & moved to PH because they won't buy WAV taxis, what do you think the government will do?

And don't you think they have already thought of that one?

Of course they have. That's why PH are included in the Equality Bill as well.


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gusmac wrote:
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So are the disabled in rural areas less important than those in urban areas?
Or do they simply not have disabled people in rural areas?


Nope..just as many per head of population....but in a rural are there is no ranks for them to find a TAXI...they would have to pre book....and if they pre book then not every vehicle would need to be WAV..only the vehicle that was sent out to collect them would need to be a WAV if thats what they required...and theres enough WAVs going about to operate in such a manner...Simple


Not quite so simple though. Unless all or at least the vast majority are WAV, wheelchair users will have to wait longer than anyone else.
That means a substandard service and defeats the object of the exercise.


Not at all,.....available WAVs travel just as fast as saloons...no reason for it to be a slower service..the only part of the operation that costs time is loading and securing the Passenger. Maybe a Balance of 1 Wav out of every 5 in a PH fleet....and should you have a fleet of say less than 4 vehicles then a WAV vehicle should be optional.

It must be preferable to have at least some TAXI or PH operators in an area using saloons and a few WAVs rather than forcing WAVs on everybody and ending up with virtually no operators at all for local customers...Abled or Disabled.

Besides...the Disabled know they have also have a vaste pool of volunteer mobility groups they can call on, The disabled are not daft and they tend to plan their journey in advance. I have never yet in 10 years of rural Operating had to turn a wheelchair user away, they have all coped perfectly well with my saloons, and should they have had an electric wheelchair that I couldnt take then im guessing even a WAV would be of little use and a more specialised vehicle would be needed.

If we took the equality route then every single new car thats sold in britain should be wheelchair user friendly...but lets get real, they know customers have choices as to what vehicle suits their needs best without making all vehicles the same. same goes for the Disabled...they also have a choice of going with a WAV or a saloon and in most cases either vehicle will serve their purposes perfectly well.

I personally think the wider Issue is down to driver training...its a reluctance by some drivers to even consider taking a wheelchair user thats the problem. 95% of transportable disabled im sure could be carried in almost any vehicle type...and no way, even with WAVs will you get that percentage up by much.

but.....because Equality is a fashionable word at the moment and MPs just love to be seen as fashionable they pursue it with a Zealousy seldom seen in anything else they do....partly because we are such an easy target for to help them salve their wretched MP conscience's


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gusmac wrote:
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So are the disabled in rural areas less important than those in urban areas?

Of course not, but if there are no taxis, then there will be no WAV taxis.


The same is true anywhere surely?

Of course, again, but if you are in an area that restricts, and a plate value of £50,000, you ain't going to go PH.

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Enforced equality...... how equal and fair is that :?

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Enforced equality...... how equal and fair is that :?



Ahh..good..the Voice of reason returneth :D


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Applying and getting are two different things :shock:

I agree, but there will be very good cases for many councils to apply, especially in those areas where the existing taxi fleet is in fact a PH fleet with a license to ply.

That said I do know one particular area where they will have no chance of changing the WAV rules, and it will be one almighty shock to those drivers.

Especially those leeches with five plates. :D
Sussex You really must Learn...... it says councils will be able to apply to the minister..... not the department for Transport.... think of how many ministers for Transport there have been... one goes and a new one starts.. it could take years for a minister to make a decision regarding just one council....... they do things like this just to eat away at time.

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Applying and getting are two different things :shock:

I agree, but there will be very good cases for many councils to apply, especially in those areas where the existing taxi fleet is in fact a PH fleet with a license to ply.

That said I do know one particular area where they will have no chance of changing the WAV rules, and it will be one almighty shock to those drivers.

Especially those leeches with five plates. :D
Sussex You really must Learn...... it says councils will be able to apply to the minister..... not the department for Transport.... think of how many ministers for Transport there have been... one goes and a new one starts.. it could take years for a minister to make a decision regarding just one council....... they do things like this just to eat away at time.


FFs..I couldnt even name one of them... :?


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Applying and getting are two different things :shock:

I agree, but there will be very good cases for many councils to apply, especially in those areas where the existing taxi fleet is in fact a PH fleet with a license to ply.

That said I do know one particular area where they will have no chance of changing the WAV rules, and it will be one almighty shock to those drivers.

Especially those leeches with five plates. :D

Sussex You really must Learn...... it says councils will be able to apply to the minister..... not the department for Transport.... think of how many ministers for Transport there have been... one goes and a new one starts.. it could take years for a minister to make a decision regarding just one council....... they do things like this just to eat away at time.

FFs..I couldnt even name one of them... :?

Oh I can; Steven Norris when the Conservatives were in.

I can't remember the topic for discussion then; it was such a long time ago. He was on a round-robin tour of England & came to Brum one morning to meet the cab trade. Agreed with everything we said & told us he would see what he could do.

In the afternoon he was in Liverpool & agreeing with their cab trade reps on their problems & telling them he would see what he could do.

Afterwards we found out that Brum's ideas were the exact opposite of the Liverpool cab trade's.

That's politicians for you; but what could we have expected of a man who was a second hand car dealer in a previous life. Good qualifications for a Transport Minister ..... I suppose!!

I just wish I could remember the topic of discussion in his round-robin tour of the cab trade. Can you help Mr T?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
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Applying and getting are two different things :shock:

I agree, but there will be very good cases for many councils to apply, especially in those areas where the existing taxi fleet is in fact a PH fleet with a license to ply.

That said I do know one particular area where they will have no chance of changing the WAV rules, and it will be one almighty shock to those drivers.

Especially those leeches with five plates. :D

Sussex You really must Learn...... it says councils will be able to apply to the minister..... not the department for Transport.... think of how many ministers for Transport there have been... one goes and a new one starts.. it could take years for a minister to make a decision regarding just one council....... they do things like this just to eat away at time.

FFs..I couldnt even name one of them... :?

Oh I can; Steven Norris when the Conservatives were in.

I can't remember the topic for discussion then; it was such a long time ago. He was on a round-robin tour of England & came to Brum one morning to meet the cab trade. Agreed with everything we said & told us he would see what he could do.

In the afternoon he was in Liverpool & agreeing with their cab trade reps on their problems & telling them he would see what he could do.

Afterwards we found out that Brum's ideas were the exact opposite of the Liverpool cab trade's.

That's politicians for you; but what could we have expected of a man who was a second hand car dealer in a previous life. Good qualifications for a Transport Minister ..... I suppose!!

I just wish I could remember the topic of discussion in his round-robin tour of the cab trade. Can you help Mr T?
He was putting together a green paper with the intention of nationally De- restricting the Hackney Trade... we tarred and feathered him and sent him on his way which was reported nationally....... Steven Norris not wanted.... I remember it well

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MR T wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
MR T wrote:
Sussex wrote:
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Applying and getting are two different things :shock:

I agree, but there will be very good cases for many councils to apply, especially in those areas where the existing taxi fleet is in fact a PH fleet with a license to ply.

That said I do know one particular area where they will have no chance of changing the WAV rules, and it will be one almighty shock to those drivers.

Especially those leeches with five plates. :D

Sussex You really must Learn...... it says councils will be able to apply to the minister..... not the department for Transport.... think of how many ministers for Transport there have been... one goes and a new one starts.. it could take years for a minister to make a decision regarding just one council....... they do things like this just to eat away at time.

FFs..I couldnt even name one of them... :?

Oh I can; Steven Norris when the Conservatives were in.

I can't remember the topic for discussion then; it was such a long time ago. He was on a round-robin tour of England & came to Brum one morning to meet the cab trade. Agreed with everything we said & told us he would see what he could do.

In the afternoon he was in Liverpool & agreeing with their cab trade reps on their problems & telling them he would see what he could do.

Afterwards we found out that Brum's ideas were the exact opposite of the Liverpool cab trade's.

That's politicians for you; but what could we have expected of a man who was a second hand car dealer in a previous life. Good qualifications for a Transport Minister ..... I suppose!!

I just wish I could remember the topic of discussion in his round-robin tour of the cab trade. Can you help Mr T?

He was putting together a green paper with the intention of nationally De- restricting the Hackney Trade... we tarred and feathered him and sent him on his way which was reported nationally....... Steven Norris not wanted.... I remember it well

That's right, I remember now. Thanks.

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