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I'd like to see one after it's been hit in rear, how would they get the wheelchair passenger out if the doors were caved in? They can't get them out of the side door because they aren't big enough to get the wheelchair out, plus the folded down seat would be in the way. I doubt any of these vehicles have been crash tested.



so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...
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so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...


No......but rear end shunts seem more popular :D

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so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...


No......but rear end shunts seem more popular :D

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not with TX4s.............

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so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...


With a side loader you have the other door to get them out of, with the Doblo you don't have that option with a rear end shunt. They are in there till they can get the doors removed, what if there's a fire or something like that?? If the back doors are damaged there's no way they can get out.
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Nigel wrote:
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so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...


With a side loader you have the other door to get them out of, with the Doblo you don't have that option with a rear end shunt. They are in there till they can get the doors removed, what if there's a fire or something like that?? If the back doors are damaged there's no way they can get out.


If there is a fire I don't think it would matter what doors are available. By the time the ramps have been fitted and the wheelchair restraints removed both the driver and passenger would be toast.

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the driver and passenger would be toast.


Your half right......I'd be fine :wink:

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the driver and passenger would be toast.


Your half right......I'd be fine :wink:

Wheelchair punter? Oh yeah I remember!!!! :roll: :roll:

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the driver and passenger would be toast.


Your half right......I'd be fine :wink:

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what steps would you take in the case of a fire?



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wannabeeahack wrote:
so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...


With a side loader you have the other door to get them out of, with the Doblo you don't have that option with a rear end shunt. They are in there till they can get the doors removed, what if there's a fire or something like that?? If the back doors are damaged there's no way they can get out.


If there is a fire I don't think it would matter what doors are available. By the time the ramps have been fitted and the wheelchair restraints removed both the driver and passenger would be toast.


With side loaders on the TX's and some of the side loading conversions you can get the wheelchair safely on to the ground without the need for ramps when the vehicle is on fire I don't think they'll be bothered how you get them out, with the rear loader it's a different equation.
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Nigel wrote:
grandad wrote:
Nigel wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...


With a side loader you have the other door to get them out of, with the Doblo you don't have that option with a rear end shunt. They are in there till they can get the doors removed, what if there's a fire or something like that?? If the back doors are damaged there's no way they can get out.


If there is a fire I don't think it would matter what doors are available. By the time the ramps have been fitted and the wheelchair restraints removed both the driver and passenger would be toast.


With side loaders on the TX's and some of the side loading conversions you can get the wheelchair safely on to the ground without the need for ramps when the vehicle is on fire I don't think they'll be bothered how you get them out, with the rear loader it's a different equation.


well this lady was thrown from her chair simply by the driver braking, no accident, so hows that work then?...

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Kim Tserkezie, who played Penny Pocket in the hit BBC show Balamory, was thrown from her wheelchair when the taxi she was travelling in slammed on its breaks to avoid hitting another car.

The 31-year-old was left in agony badly injured on the floor of the taxi.


http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east ... -16563111/
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Nigel wrote:
grandad wrote:
Nigel wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...


With a side loader you have the other door to get them out of, with the Doblo you don't have that option with a rear end shunt. They are in there till they can get the doors removed, what if there's a fire or something like that?? If the back doors are damaged there's no way they can get out.


If there is a fire I don't think it would matter what doors are available. By the time the ramps have been fitted and the wheelchair restraints removed both the driver and passenger would be toast.


With side loaders on the TX's and some of the side loading conversions you can get the wheelchair safely on to the ground without the need for ramps when the vehicle is on fire I don't think they'll be bothered how you get them out, with the rear loader it's a different equation.


well this lady was thrown from her chair simply by the driver braking, no accident, so hows that work then?...

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Kim Tserkezie, who played Penny Pocket in the hit BBC show Balamory, was thrown from her wheelchair when the taxi she was travelling in slammed on its breaks to avoid hitting another car.

The 31-year-old was left in agony badly injured on the floor of the taxi.


http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east ... -16563111/


Well they could crash test them with wheelchairs in the vehicle and with a dummy like they do in normal vehicle crash tests. I was told that a passenger must always get out of the wheelchair when they are in the vehicle because they've not been crash tested.
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Well they could crash test them with wheelchairs in the vehicle and with a dummy like they do in normal vehicle crash tests. I was told that a passenger must always get out of the wheelchair when they are in the vehicle because they've not been crash tested.


i need to think about that for a while....
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Nigel wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
Nigel wrote:
grandad wrote:
Nigel wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...


With a side loader you have the other door to get them out of, with the Doblo you don't have that option with a rear end shunt. They are in there till they can get the doors removed, what if there's a fire or something like that?? If the back doors are damaged there's no way they can get out.


If there is a fire I don't think it would matter what doors are available. By the time the ramps have been fitted and the wheelchair restraints removed both the driver and passenger would be toast.


With side loaders on the TX's and some of the side loading conversions you can get the wheelchair safely on to the ground without the need for ramps when the vehicle is on fire I don't think they'll be bothered how you get them out, with the rear loader it's a different equation.


well this lady was thrown from her chair simply by the driver braking, no accident, so hows that work then?...

Quote:
Kim Tserkezie, who played Penny Pocket in the hit BBC show Balamory, was thrown from her wheelchair when the taxi she was travelling in slammed on its breaks to avoid hitting another car.

The 31-year-old was left in agony badly injured on the floor of the taxi.


http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east ... -16563111/


Well they could crash test them with wheelchairs in the vehicle and with a dummy like they do in normal vehicle crash tests. I was told that a passenger must always get out of the wheelchair when they are in the vehicle because they've not been crash tested.
They dont do that Nigel because they would all fail! Nobody in a wheelchair would then be able to travel in a taxi again. What a shame! \:D/
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Nigel
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Nigel wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
Nigel wrote:
grandad wrote:
Nigel wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
so we are saying a WAV/side loader wont get hit from the side then?...


With a side loader you have the other door to get them out of, with the Doblo you don't have that option with a rear end shunt. They are in there till they can get the doors removed, what if there's a fire or something like that?? If the back doors are damaged there's no way they can get out.


If there is a fire I don't think it would matter what doors are available. By the time the ramps have been fitted and the wheelchair restraints removed both the driver and passenger would be toast.


With side loaders on the TX's and some of the side loading conversions you can get the wheelchair safely on to the ground without the need for ramps when the vehicle is on fire I don't think they'll be bothered how you get them out, with the rear loader it's a different equation.


well this lady was thrown from her chair simply by the driver braking, no accident, so hows that work then?...

Quote:
Kim Tserkezie, who played Penny Pocket in the hit BBC show Balamory, was thrown from her wheelchair when the taxi she was travelling in slammed on its breaks to avoid hitting another car.

The 31-year-old was left in agony badly injured on the floor of the taxi.


http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east ... -16563111/


Well they could crash test them with wheelchairs in the vehicle and with a dummy like they do in normal vehicle crash tests. I was told that a passenger must always get out of the wheelchair when they are in the vehicle because they've not been crash tested.
They dont do that Nigel because they would all fail! Nobody in a wheelchair would then be able to travel in a taxi again. What a shame! \:D/


Sorry I should have re-phrased that, I was under the impression that users had to get out of the wheelchairs while they were being transported in vehicles??
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I am sure your right. The LA's have their own rules and don’t give a monkeys if wheelchair users are driven around in vans The truth is that they are so PC that they have neglected to check whether the vans have been crash tested correctly.
Manufactures do crash test their vehicles of course, but they use dummies in the seats to ascertain the safety criteria. If they used wheelchairs and dummies, [which is not what the vehicles were designed to carry in the first place] you would find that the wheelchairs collapsed and the users would be sent into to driver’s area and out of the front window. Probably injuring the driver as they exit the vehicle.
The problem is that too many do-gooders have infiltrated local government, formed a PC alliance and brought in legislation to better the welfare of the disabled. No wonder then that most of them prefer to go in a normal crash tested 5* NCAP rated, multi-air bagged vehicle. I know which one I would prefer to travel in!
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