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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:36 pm 
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That aside will someone please tell me if the vehicle has been crash tested in is taxi form......because reading through the cr*p the VSA publish they seem to suggest no vehicle is crash tested which is converted.
The taxi form is pretty much the same as the other versions they do. Just add a rooflight, meter and a fire extinguisher.
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Perhaps all vehicles used for the transportation of passengers should have an encap rating in the converted form?


Seems sensible to me.

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you live in your own world, if it as been passed fit for use on uk road and is as was the Fiat Dadlo use and accreeited by Mobilty, and usa as a vehicle with members from the one association ie spinal injuries, that admit there members use the vehicle.

this trade needs cheper vehicles that do the same job for less, tell that to A O.


I live in a nice world Charles where people will either take on board what I say or they dont......it is called an opinion.

I ask a question, has this vehicle been crash tested in its converted form, yet nobody seems to want to answer.......and I will further add to that.....because I seem to be eyeing up a possible campaign here........that any vehicle used for hire and reward of passengers should have tests......irrespective of the make and model.

If you take 5 minutes.....no 10 minutes because you'll need time to get your head out of your backside......look at the VSA website and extremely rigorous testing vehicles are put through.....which seems to revolve around 'oooooooh its got a brake pedal, that's good!'

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I think you're right btw. All taxis should be tested.

Don't see any LTI vehicles on here either.
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I think you're right btw. All taxis should be tested.

Don't see any LTI vehicles on here either.
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I cant see any WAV on there either.

Maybe instead of all the bitterness we can have something like an encap rating for vehicles which are to be licensed as vehicles for hire and reward, then LA's can issue licenses subject to the encap rating?

I wonder if I could propose Charles as a crash test dummy? :lol:

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MOST NHS,pasenger transport vehicles are designed to load from the rear. WHY are you always pointing out ranking deficiences, is it because you prefer to sit on ranks all the time and do not realy service the general public............Then why not try p/h,as we only move when given a pre-booked job,two choices,you either sit on rank, or cruise.After all you are allowed to PLY FOR HIRE :wink:

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MOST NHS,pasenger transport vehicles are designed to load from the rear. WHY are you always pointing out ranking deficiences, is it because you prefer to sit on ranks all the time and do not realy service the general public............Then why not try p/h,as we only move when given a pre-booked job,two choices,you either sit on rank, or cruise.After all you are allowed to PLY FOR HIRE :wink:


FFS Don.....you know F*ck all about taxi driving in the provinces :roll:

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D.Glave wrote:
MOST NHS,pasenger transport vehicles are designed to load from the rear.


Funny you should mention that;

THE daughter of a pensioner who died after his motorised scooter fell off the back of a minibus said the tragedy could have been avoided. Her comments came after Hartlepool Borough Council and taxi operators Ian Cameron and Gerald Nicholson were ordered by magistrates to pay a total of £23,300 in fines and costs. All had earlier admitted failing to ensure the safety of the public. James Hunt, 85, died of brain damage after a stop plate on the lift failed as he was reversing out of a Dial-a-Ride taxi outside Morrisons supermarket, in Hartlepool, on January, 19, 2005.Mr Hunt, of Major Cooper Court, Seaton Carew, near Hartlepool, fell about 3ft, and his scooter landed on top of him. He died six hours later.

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£83,000 fine over fatal wheelchair accident

STAFFORDSHIRE County Council has been fined £83,000 after it admitted a breach of health and safety regulations.

The authority was fined a total of £83,000 and ordered to pay costs of £21,000 at Stafford Crown Court after pleading guilty at an earlier magistrates' hearing to breaching section 3(1) of the Health And Safety At Work Act 1974.

The court heard that in June 2007, a 90-year-old woman from Wombourne, who was in a wheelchair, fell from the back of a vehicle operated by Staffordshire County Council. She suffered internal injuries and died three days later in hospital.


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Pensioner, 87, died after his wheelchair tipped over in the back of an ambulance

A pensioner died after suffering serious neck injuries when his wheelchair tipped over in the back of an ambulance on his way home from hospital.


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THE Birmingham Coroner has called for the compulsory use of restraints for wheelchair users in taxis following the tragic death of a 14-year-old disabled girl. Aidan Cotter also said Birmingham City Council should make it part of the terms of the driver’s licence and that they should also attend a five-hour seminar on disability discrimination training.

He made his comments after hearing that a black cab driver had picked up Razan Begum from Birmingham Children’s Hospital in February. Razan was with her father and her younger sister and suffered from a “terrible illness” which made her spine very fragile. The wheelchair she was in was loaded sideways into the vehicle which then set off.

Mr Cotter said something then happened to cause the wheelchair to “jerk” and Razan lost consciousness almost immediately. She died two days later despite attempts to save her. He said neither the cab driver nor her father had committed any criminal offence and there was no suggestion the driver had driven badly.

He recorded a verdict that Razan of Rupert Street, Nechells died as a result of an accident. Taxi driver Ashfaq Hussain said because of the design of his cab it had been impossible for him to fit the restraints on the wheelchair as well as having two passengers.

He said he had told Razan’s father that if necessary he should hold onto the chair and that he became aware that something had happened after coming out of a tunnel.

Peter Barrow, head of licensing for Birmingham City Council, said Mr Hussain received his taxi licence in 2003 and that it only became a requirement for new drivers the following year to receive disability training.

He added that it would appear to be “common practice” to put wheelchairs into taxis sideways and that this did pose a risk.
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I think it's safe to say that whenever safety equipment is used wrongly or not at all, there is always the potential for a tragedy.
None of the cases highlighted so far indicate that the vehicles themselves are dangerous.
Failing to use them as they were intended to be used, is dangerous.

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These vehicles need to be tested with a wheelchair and a life sized dummy sat in the wheelchair, test them front side and rear. Also test them when the crumple zone has been hit and see if they can get the wheelchair and dummy out. I'd like to see the results of the test.


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These vehicles need to be tested with a wheelchair and a life sized dummy sat in the wheelchair, test them front side and rear. Also test them when the crumple zone has been hit and see if they can get the wheelchair and dummy out. I'd like to see the results of the test.


So would I.
Black cabs as well, I presume?

You would first need a wheelchair designed and manufactured as a vehicle seat. So far as I am aware, no wheelchair is.

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I can remember seeing footage of a TX being crashed tested in the USA.

What stuck in my mind at the time was it had an airbag, when at that time LTI was telling us folks over here that they were a danger in their vehicles. :^o

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WHAT DIFFERENCE IS THERE IN LOADING A WHEELCHAIR,in the provinces or in a major town or city. At least i have got a more positive exchange of views going....Lets debate the important things with wheelchairs and drivers/passengers responsibilities,also should all passenger vehicles be crash tested,who will pick up the tab for this,etc etc

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These vehicles need to be tested with a wheelchair and a life sized dummy sat in the wheelchair, test them front side and rear. Also test them when the crumple zone has been hit and see if they can get the wheelchair and dummy out. I'd like to see the results of the test.


So would I.
Black cabs as well, I presume?

You would first need a wheelchair designed and manufactured as a vehicle seat. So far as I am aware, no wheelchair is.


There is your answer then, no wheelchairs should be carried with passengers in them if they aren't designed to do so.


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There is your answer then, no wheelchairs should be carried with passengers in them if they aren't designed to do so.


Yep I agree.

Even in saloon cars where an LA will stipulate you need a swivel seat......where to fit the swivel seat you disconnect airbag systems.....and they then tell us all about customer safety?

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