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LIES AND MIS-TRUTHS
« on: Today at 09:30:58 AM »
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This statement is being issued on behalf of E.C.P.H. by allan gibson and kevin woodburn. This is being done by us to try to highlight some of the lies and mis-truths being put onto this site by travis bickle and other anonymous individuals hiding behind the skirt that anonymity brings. Normally we would look at this site on occassion and actually laugh at the amount of nonsense spoken regarding ECPH , however its about time that some of you knew the truth, and how you are just being manipulated , by travis and others , who are quite clearly linked to one or other committee, and have their OWN , PERSONAL , LITTLE AGENDA'S. We fully expect the usual inane comments to come on this site after this posting, and thats fine , we would just point out that this is being done by us to expose the FACTS , it is up to you all if you want to believe them. We will copy the email that was sent to travis bickle, after his allegation that stories were being " fabricated " in the evening news , by this company. Also that there is a meeting today 3rd march to discuss signage on our PHC vehicles , there is NO meeting today to discuss this issue. FACT. We do not know why these lies seem to be of great interest to travis and others , however we accept that this site is under HIS administration , and therefore HE CAN SAY WHAT HE LIKES , but lets get all of the FACTS out there and then give the real honest , decent drivers out there the chance to understand what all of this stupidity is REALLY all about. Ask yourselves this question : why was only part of the email used in the thread " merger talks", and WHY was it necccessary to discuss our advertising strategy and the difference in the fares quoted ? The answers are in the response to travis on the day of his thread, WHY was the whole email not quoted , is there something in it that travis and his friends want to hide , we dont know , YOU CAN ALL DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES. Somebody asked on this site recently that there was talk of mergers before and on " offer " was on the table for £11.5 million pounds for a MERGED FLEET, if that is the case then OBVIOUSLY THE MEMBERS WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT , well rather than wonder if thats true or not , IT WAS INDEED THE CASE , the " offer" was made , however , who was at the meetings , should be the next question ? As a company we have nothing to hide from anyone , if you have any questions for us we have no problem in answering them , we have and will continue to ,invite various individuals from the taxi trade and council to our offices for discussions on various issues , some have been here and some have declined our offer , you may be surprised at just how much dialogue we do have with the taxi trade. The email reply to travis is copied below :

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Re: LIES AND MIS-TRUTHS
« Reply #1 on: Today at 09:31:58 AM »
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Travis , travis , travis, once again i have occasion to comment regarding your post today under “ merger talks “ . In your first sentence you state our two half page advertisements , followed by a “ fabricated “ story of the need for a merger between city and central . are you suggesting that we had anything to do with this story ? If that is indeed your suggestion , then you give us a lot more credit than we are entitled to. The FACTS are as follows :
Chris marshall from the een called and asked me to comment , to which i initially said NO to , as is had nothing to do with ECPH.
Chris marshall then proceeded to say that this story was put to him by a committee source of one of the two , and that it was to combat the growth of ECPH.
This obviously prompted a response from me , which is now in print , and the statement I made is factually correct , as you well know.

Your second statement , in which you ridicule our recent adverts , claims that the prices couldn’t possibly be genuine as the city price is £1 dearer than the central price. Again that is FACTUALLY correct , the journey was £1 dearer , that is borne out by the receipts for the journeys that were given to our “ mystery shopper “ , do you really think that we would be as stupid as you make us out to be and not get our FACTS correct , not to mention that the EEN would run these adverts without their legal department doing the same . If you do then you are far more deluded than we previously thought. The journeys were pre – booked ( a private hire in other words ) by myself , both companies use gps tracking in the vehicles , so the journeys , routes taken and prices WILL BE VERIFIED BY BOTH COMPANIES. The unfortunate thing is that the city driver in fact took the wrong route hence the price difference , again a FACT that will be borne out by les mcvay of city , if you choose to actually look for the FACTS that is. You may prefer to fabricate even more LIES in order to further your own agenda , whatever that may be. I must stress at this point that our mystery shopper did comment on how nice and friendly the city cab driver was , another FACT , that was passed on to les mcvay, by me.
Your next point in regards to our price being done on “ map point “ is probably your most ludicrous to date , do you really think that we need to make these prices up ! the journey was metered and a call out charge was applied as per our own tariff sheet , the route taken was identical to that of the central driver , and the drop off point when the meter was stopped was at the front door of tesco corstorphine. These FACTS are all available to you any time you want to see them , or anyone else for that matter. If you wish to dispute these FACTS , or indeed if city or central care to do so , by all means start legal proceedings against us , or better still give me a typical journey of your choice and i will pick you up myself and you can verify the meter and the fare charged under our tariff conditions. That way at least we don’t have to worry about the FACTS getting in the way of a good story from you to all of your little followers on the website.
As you are aware travis , you have communicated with me on a few occasions , and as yet we have not met , nor had any face to face communications ( that i know of anyway ), these posts are usually no more than of slight annoyance to us , or , sometimes , actually a source of much amusement. The only time we have been upset has been the “ personal “ comments directed at family or staff and friends. I personally have many friends who are brief holders , and they know that we wish them no malice personally , they also know that i would defend them to the hilt personally if need be . your comments seem to be geared towards your own vested interests , whatever they may be , and if that is the case then good luck to you , i hope you get what you are looking for. I would however appreciate it , that if you want to use ECPH as a target for your own ends , then at least get the FACTS before you drag us into your personal little agenda.
We have a business to run , and to that end we will use all of the tools available to us , in order to further our company . to that end there will be more advertising of a similar nature , in various forms of media over the next few weeks , so again i repeat my offer to you, if you want to know the FACTS then all you have to do is ask. You can even “ proof” the adverts before they go out so as to verify the fares. We are not hiding travis, nor are we concerned with any merger that may occur between city and central , we have dialogue with members of both committees on a regular basis , as i am sure you are aware, so please feel free to do as you wish with your website. All we ask is that you at least get it right when dragging us on to it . I am not asking for you to remove the post , just correct it. Oh and by the way , i am not posting this on your little website , as you know i am not about to start that nonsense after all these years , so its up to you from here travis.
Regards
Kevin Woodburn

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The posts above were copied onto this site from the fasties site.
allan gibson @ kevin woodburn.

Have to say Kev if you're gonna post then you gotta punctuat better. Your post is hellish difficult to read. Methinks you ne a PR guy

But what youre really confirming is that TTF is just an organ of Central's committee. It has no objectivity. Travis as admin should be neutral.

It is, it hasn't and Travis isn't.

In fact TTF has developed into little more than the sewing bee of Gladstone's time but with pretensions of grandeur. The post it allows represent only the desperate rantings of the taxi trade's bewildered vested interests.

Unless and until Travis declares himself, it will always remain so.

I still believe that Travis is Gladstone himself despite his claims to the contrary.

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"

Sorry james , not as experienced as you in all of this. I'd like to say i will get it better the next time but as you know there wont be a next time, we will not debate with those who will not disclose who they are. Our respect is reserved for those who put their name to their views. And yes i did say RESPECT.

No slight intended, just trying to be constructive Kev. You have a message, we should be able to easily read it.

I tell it how it is.

You have expanded and built your business because I have long been denied my right to unfettered access to the tools of my trade by trade vested interests and a council flaunting its ability to abuse its power.

The vested interests in the trade sowed the seed of restrictive practice and reaped a real and potentially dangerous harvest of competition from PH. A reward which has taken from the trade it's power to set prices. It's no less than they deserve.

And their futile and inept responses amply demonstrate their inability to understand what has happened and what to do about it. Yet they would seek to replicate their inadequacy and compound their problem should they proceed with their proposed merger. Two commercially inept committees merged into a bigger inept committee is hardly a recipe for commercial success. Not in this real world.

Anyway, now that you are here in the market, I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to compete on equal terms. I don't see why you shouldn't have your company signage on your vehicles. The public are not stupid. They know you are there already. The signage won't affect their perception. Does the trade think it can continue to operate by keeping the competition a secret from its customers? The competition is going to sit back and timidly hide its light under the proverbial bushel?

But I too should be allowed to compete. And by doing so I would be able to improve the taxi trade's service to customers. That I am being restricted from doing so contradicts every tenet of fair competition and breaches my rights to operate my own vehicle.

Yes I could pay £50K for a licence I could never own. But why should I have to? Just to prop up the stupidity of those who already have?

I don't think so.

Finally, only cowards who can't justify what they say remain anonymous. Their argument is flawed, that is why they are ashamed to own it.

No shame with us Kev, eh?

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"

We couldnt agree more james. We are all entitled to our views and should be proud enough to put our names to them. Whether other people agree or not , we as a company choose to be in the market that we are , whether or not we would have grown to this size with an unrestricted market we will never know. However we do think that this should be a matter of choice for EVERYBODY in the taxi trade , not just those who"have" dictating to those that "have not". The various committees over the years had a policy which should have been representative of the "whole" trade, not just a section of it. You already know Allan and my views on this, why , because you and gary were willing to sit face to face and debate the issues at hand. We will never agree with all of your views on everything , nor will you with ours , but at least we can discuss things like adults. The taxi trade really is none of our concern , but when individuals drag our company into their own petty squabbles we have to speak out. We have nothing but RESPECT for the majority of hard working , honest drivers in both sectors of our trade , however we would like to see the majority NEED representation at the council , that way the vested interests of the few may be curtailed. That is only our opinion , and if they drivers are happy with the situation far be it for us to influence that. I hope for the majority that their voices are being heard , whichever way they want it to go.

Oh jimmy boy,

You seem to have fallen in love.
Just give him a kiss and be done with it.

Everyone with an ounce of sense knows you are nothing more than a troublemaker who wishes to damage the Edinburgh taxi trade.
Fortunately you are not competent to do that, and we are all safe!

Now you are lining yourself up with your new friends at ecph because no taxi company in Edinburgh will touch you with a bargepole.
And dont give us the line that you would not want to join a company anyway, because that is nonsence.
Hence you are trying to line yourself up with a phc company. ](*,)

Frank, here is why I wouldn't touch any of the the companies n Edinburgh with your proverbial bargepole.

Consider this wisdom from the Pied Piper on CRT's fanny forum


"any 1 of the 17 that are in crt should be booted out the company

wish AG was still in so he could be booted too"

This is what the power invested by the council's restriction does. It gives the power to kick people out of a job. Imagine Edinburgh's council responsible for enslaving drivers and encouraging them to be downtrodden. All of which employment treatment was supposed to have been kicked into touch long ago?

Now tell us that our human rights aren't being breached here.

I understand that Donald Macleod may well be a tad upset at this. Well he should be aware that his precious committee, convened by the scumbag Colin Keir, know all about such treatment.

because it was Colin scumbag Keir himself who, during MacDonald's previous application, when told that he had lost his drive with City Cabs because he had applied for a licence to operate his own vehicle, which is why he needed the licence, declared to Macdonald, in full public view:-

"We are not here to discuss your job status"

The wickedness of drivers being dug out from the companies because of applying for a licence is the fault of the council, of Colin Keir himself.

It is a disgrace.

That's why I wouldn't align myself with an imbecile like you Frank Lay, because you haven't the wit to understand the injustice.

And I look forward to the day when YOU become the victim and we're all standing by watching you flounder and pashing ourselves.

Back to your illusion numpty.




BTW I don't need to work to destroy the trade. The vested interests are doing that all by themselves with their commercial ineptness, abject greed, control freakery and blatant disregard of customers. You're destroying the trade all by yourselves. We're just enjoying watching your pain

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"

Go on Jim crawl right up there hope Skull can handle the Duggery sorry i missed spelt that one it should have started with a B

What a complete A--h--E AND a sad fecker at that

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

You say "We're just enjoying watching your pain :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol"

Just goes to show that you are nothing but a trouble making wrecker,
And all that I said before stands.

What kind of idiot wants to destroy his own livelihood ?

One like you apparently!

In your mistaken belief that you might even succeed, you are lining yourself up with a minicab company, whose glasgow owners are dubious in the extreme.

I would never support any company that is even suspected of laundering drug money !

But clearly you have no such misgivings!

You truly are a stupid man Frank. You've just accused a company of laundering drug money.

If I were you I'd be hoping that I did get a knock at the door, cos the law suit would put you and yours on the street.

As I said, a stupid man.

As for the rest, take a look at yourself

BTW Remember the route to you is through Alan Gladstone. There is NO anonymity on the web

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"

thats nice but!!! what do you want with hackney licenses then

[quote="Jasbar"] [quote="Frank Lay"]You say "We're just enjoying watching your pain :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol"

Just goes to show that you are nothing but a trouble making wrecker,
And all that I said before stands.

What kind of idiot wants to destroy his own livelihood ?

One like you apparently!

In your mistaken belief that you might even succeed, you are lining yourself up with a minicab company, whose glasgow owners are dubious in the extreme.

I would never support any company that is even suspected of laundering drug money !

But clearly you have no such misgivings![/quote]

You truly are a stupid man Frank. You've just accused a company of laundering drug money.

If I were you I'd be hoping that I did get a knock at the door, cos the law suit would put you and yours on the street.

As I said, a stupid man.

As for the rest, take a look at yourself

BTW Remember the route to you is through Alan Gladstone. There is NO anonymity on the web :wink: :lol: :roll:[/quote]
It all stands, jimmy boy.

They can ring the bell and ask for frank.

Have you not seen the tv ads - "if you want to know about drugs, ask frank"

I note that you dont disagree that you are just a trouble making wrecker, lining himself up with a minicab job!

Oh Frank, everyone knows you are just a little upset after finding out you're not a real businessman. One day Frank, one day your dream may come, but not while driving an Edinburgh Taxi. Your whole little world is propped up by keeping qualified drivers dependent on scum like you for their living.

Sorry Frank, the bewildered herd is starting to wake up, and they are wanting their independence, without paying the artificial price tag.

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

Just like in Cardiff......the capital of Wales......where despite the buttonite assurances that standards wouldn't drop, errm they did.....knowledge tests, NVQ's, and many more hoops were placed.....and still the standards fell.

The fact is the deregulation experiment has failed......but not because of those entering the trade......its failed because councils wouldnt supply extra ranks, they wouldnt supply the extra officers, they listened to people who havent got a clue and have never worked at the coalface......pure and simple.

The latest approach in Sutton in Ashfield........Bristol......Clacton and other areas is perhaps the ultimate smack in the face to the cab trade.

These areas have never had the cherrypicking of fares.......they all have failed to provide additional rank space for the extra licenses they issued.....now they blame the cab trade for over-ranking and they will suspend drivers who are guilty of such.

They unleashed a monster, and have no idea how to deal with it.

There is one key flaw in the deregulators strategy......it doesnt f*cking work

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin