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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:50 pm 
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If you are right and there are legal problems with saying you cant have a second plate, it is easily worked round.

You could allow people to have second plate, but only once there is no-one wanting a first plate.

That would have the exact same effect.

It is just a case of how things are worded.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Gary,

It is just an income and no more, and that is just what I thought it would be.
All I have invested has been cleared long ago with a good profit on top.
If plates became valueless tommorrow then thats fine, I will still have made a handsome profit.
Just because you could not manage your finances very well, that does not mean others cant.


Frank, you live in a fantasy world, "profit", you're a daft wee taxi driver. When you first appeared on these forums you were jumping up and down claiming it was a business.

Now, “it is just an income and no more, and that is just what I thought it would be”.


“With a good profit on top”, you bought yourself a job Frank, and you've paid yourself a wage. Give yourself a shake Frank, you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Even if you sold out tomorrow, you would be lucky to get your money back. What, 25K buys you a taxi 20 years ago, and you get 40K back and that's a profit. Frank, all you've paid for is access to the tools of your trade, on loan. All you are getting is your money back, you clot.

You never owned the bloody plate in the first place.

Frank, you are a pseudo employee of Edinburgh Council, you are not a businessman, not now, not ever. :roll: :roll:

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Gary,

I am quite well aware that the council owns the plate, as it says so on the plate itself.

Its only YOU that has a problem with whether its a business, a job, or a jobby. The rest of us are just earning a living and have better things to do than play with words over and over again.

Try thinking of something constructive, it would probably blow your mind.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Gusmac,

I would doubt that it is illegal to demand that it is neccessary for a holder of a taxi operators licence to be actually able to drive the thing.

It is not required by law for the holder of a taxi licence to also be the holder of a taxi drivers licence. A council requiring this would be acting beyond it's powers.

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In anycase the rules were changed fairly recently to allow a company to hold a licence, due to pressure from those who wished to sell plates, It was easily done, so turning it around should be just as easy.
Edinburgh some years ago, for it's own reasons, allowed those who held taxi licences in their own name to exchange them for licences held in the name of a limited company or LLP. This bypassed the bar on selling plates, since the company gets sold - not the plate.
Companies have always been able to hold plates under the CGSA 1982 and any attempt to revoke them would fail as the law currently stands.
By allowing this, CEC opened Pandora's box. It can't easily be closed again.

Your ideas show poor understanding of Scottish licensing law, which is the reality we have to deal with here.

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Gusmac,

BOTH the items you mention above are not licencing conditions NOW, but have been here in Edinburgh for periods since 1982. These were taken away during discussions with the trade and not due to any legal ruling.

Local licences CAN have conditions that are not part of a national ruling, for instance in Edinburgh we are 100% WAV (fortunately) whitch is not a requirement nationally.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Gusmac,

BOTH the items you mention above are not licencing conditions NOW, but have been here in Edinburgh for periods since 1982. These were taken away during discussions with the trade and not due to any legal ruling.

Local licences CAN have conditions that are not part of a national ruling, for instance in Edinburgh we are 100% WAV (fortunately) whitch is not a requirement nationally.


Any local condition has to be reasonable.
Barring a company from holding a taxi licence or anyone from holding more than one taxi licence would IMO be deemed unreasonable should it be challenged through the courts.

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gusmac wrote:

Any local condition has to be reasonable.
Barring a company from holding a taxi licence or anyone from holding more than one taxi licence would IMO be deemed unreasonable should it be challenged through the courts.


You are right, but not only must it be reasoable a local byelaw cannot go beyond the power of a national act.....in England anyway.

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It is just a case of how it is done,

To stop people having more than one plate,

You only make second plates available if there are no more people waiting for a single plate.

That is not unreasonable, and in practice achieves the same result.


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captain cab wrote:
Jimbob, I think you're talking drivel, in actual fact I dont think you've got a clue.

All I have quoted has happened, in many cases what you would call 'quality' control has been introduced, new vehicles, increased testing, increased driver checks, DSA driving tests, CRB checks, driver medicals, BTEC's, NVQ's, you name it, its been introduced.

Why have these things been introduced Jim?

Is it because they wanted to prove their (your) experiment would work?

Is it because they've been introduced because they (you) knew standards would fall?

Deregulation leaves drivers with no alternative than to source radios from Private Hire companies.

Your response shows a breath taking ignorance of deregulation, in short you write like an inexperienced butterboy, and have the attitude of a typical wannaplate.

CC


It's okay to drive for someone, but you just can't earn a living driving your own Taxi? Who are you trying to kid CC?

Your argument is all about vested interests running the trade for their own benefit and feck the drivers.

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Oh and it's not "deregulation". :roll:

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Skull wrote:

It's okay to drive for someone, but you just can't earn a living driving your own Taxi? Who are you trying to kid CC?

Your argument is all about vested interests running the trade for their own benefit and feck the drivers.

:roll:


Oh and it's not "deregulation". :roll:


Errm its got everything to do with deregulation.......but dont take my word for it, when every other deregulated area is suffering the same way.

But then, you dont give a sh*t.

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Dundee has just past the peugeot it has full european approval
http://www.cabdirect.com/vehicles/peugeot_premier/ at that price we will have no ph.De restriction for Dundee has left our trade well and truly fecked R.I.P Dundee taxi trade.


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stationtone wrote:
Dundee has just past the peugeot it has full european approval
http://www.cabdirect.com/vehicles/peugeot_premier/ at that price we will have no ph.De restriction for Dundee has left our trade well and truly fecked R.I.P Dundee taxi trade.

Taylor Thompson and Turnbell Don't give a feck but we others do :cry:

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Skull wrote:
Dougie, why would the council be interested in the old B&Q at Stevenson, as a Vehicle Testing Centre? :shock:

The above information came from an interesting source. I was wondering if anyone knows anything?

:wink:

I've heard too!!! The council are seriously considering increasing the New Apps Fee to around the £40,000 mark, (a Labour councillor is taking the credit) This primarily is to restrict in another way the flow of plates but also allow the council to generate enough income to provide the Trade with a new Vehicle testing centre, of which you do agree is needed.

The site for this i heard could either be stevenson or gogar, this would then allow for the creation of a testing vehicle centre to cover all forms of current public transport excluding trams, meaning the Vehicles tested will include buses as well as Taxi's, Phc and maybe even emergency vehicles, if the centre is sited at gogar, trams will be included.

The vehicle testing centre will include many facilities including Steam cleaning ect.

£40,000 new apps fee is a carrott dangled too cec!!! so how much of a carrott do you feel being a part of the council grabbing such a Carrott :lol: :lol:

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Dougie, why would the council be interested in the old B&Q at Stevenson, as a Vehicle Testing Centre? :shock:

The above information came from an interesting source. I was wondering if anyone knows anything?

:wink:

I've heard too!!! The council are seriously considering increasing the New Apps Fee to around the £40,000 mark, (a Labour councillor is taking the credit) This primarily is to restrict in another way the flow of plates but also allow the council to generate enough income to provide the Trade with a new Vehicle testing centre, of which you do agree is needed.

The site for this i heard could either be stevenson or gogar, this would then allow for the creation of a testing vehicle centre to cover all forms of current public transport excluding trams, meaning the Vehicles tested will include buses as well as Taxi's, Phc and maybe even emergency vehicles, if the centre is sited at gogar, trams will be included.

The vehicle testing centre will include many facilities including Steam cleaning ect.

£40,000 new apps fee is a carrott dangled too cec!!! so how much of a carrott do you feel being a part of the council grabbing such a Carrott :lol: :lol:


I think it is obvious to everyone you are not a well man Dougie. :roll:

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Skull wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
Skull wrote:
Dougie, why would the council be interested in the old B&Q at Stevenson, as a Vehicle Testing Centre? :shock:

The above information came from an interesting source. I was wondering if anyone knows anything?

:wink:

I've heard too!!! The council are seriously considering increasing the New Apps Fee to around the £40,000 mark, (a Labour councillor is taking the credit) This primarily is to restrict in another way the flow of plates but also allow the council to generate enough income to provide the Trade with a new Vehicle testing centre, of which you do agree is needed.

The site for this i heard could either be stevenson or gogar, this would then allow for the creation of a testing vehicle centre to cover all forms of current public transport excluding trams, meaning the Vehicles tested will include buses as well as Taxi's, Phc and maybe even emergency vehicles, if the centre is sited at gogar, trams will be included.

The vehicle testing centre will include many facilities including Steam cleaning ect.

£40,000 new apps fee is a carrott dangled too cec!!! so how much of a carrott do you feel being a part of the council grabbing such a Carrott :lol: :lol:



I think it is obvious to everyone you are not a well man Dougie. :roll:
You asked the question :D If i'm wrong i will put my hands up :wink: Will you :?:

Eric Barrie :?:

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