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Which way will you vote on May 6th?
Tory 58%  58%  [ 19 ]
Labour 15%  15%  [ 5 ]
Lib/Dem 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
None of the above 21%  21%  [ 7 ]
Total votes : 33
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Well I hope I never have to say I told you so!

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brightonbreezy wrote:
Well I hope I never have to say I told you so!


I hope labour get slaughtered into 3rd place with no chance of sucking upto the liberals to even get a sniff of any power in any shape or form and we get a new goverment for 20 years

then cameron can have all the blame!


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wannabeeahack wrote:

im ex-NUM, no-one remember scargill, mick magahee, red robbo, wilson, callaghan, john prescott was the last remnant of old labour, and new labour dont want him hanging around really, gordon shot himself in the foot bigtime with his "bigot" remark, Blears had an illegal working for her, so did the justice minister, MPs expenses, etc, etc


I remember Red Robbo alright. I was a toolmaker at a British Leyland Subsidery in the '70s. Fortunatly at that time most of our work was actually for Ford. :? But Our toolroom did go out on strike with all the other Leyland toolrooms once. It cost me a fortune in lost golf balls. :lol: :lol: :lol:
That was the end of trade unions for me. 1 one day strike and I vowed never to be in a union again and I haven't.

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The shame about this is..... that there are some very good Labour MPs that work extremely hard on a local level...... and considering I am not a Gordon Brown supporter it would be a shame to lose these excellent MPs

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MR T wrote:
The shame about this is..... that there are some very good Labour MPs that work extremely hard on a local level...... and considering I am not a Gordon Brown supporter it would be a shame to lose these excellent MPs


Don't you think the chances of losing Labour support in Liverpool is quite slim?

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You will never have to it's a case of whether you choose to :wink:

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there should be 1 MP per % of the voting (proportional representation) which would be the only fair way, our current "first past the post" system nearly ALWAYS gives us a minority goverment, which is clearly unfair and wrong

in the 2005 elections...

Last election
Labour 413 seats, 9,562,122 votes
Tory 166 seats, 8,772,598
LibDems 52 seats, 5,981,874

So Labour only netted 35% of the votes (9.56 million vs 14.6 )

Labour got 55% of the seats with 35% of the votes


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wannabeeahack wrote:
there should be 1 MP per % of the voting (proportional representation) which would be the only fair way, our current "first past the post" system nearly ALWAYS gives us a minority goverment, which is clearly unfair and wrong

in the 2005 elections...

Last election
Labour 413 seats, 9,562,122 votes
Tory 166 seats, 8,772,598
LibDems 52 seats, 5,981,874

So Labour only netted 40% of the votes (9.56 million vs 14.6 )

Labour got 55% of the seats with 35% of the votes


Perhaps it would be if the all the voting population actually voted but they don't. I think that problem should be addressed

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The problem with proportional representation as I see it is that at the moment you can choose which candidate from a list that you want to represent you. With PR you will just vote for the party and you will get whoever they see fit to give you. I prefer first past the post. Also with PR it will always be the party that comes 3rd that decides who will be PM because no party will ever get an overall majority.

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The problem with proportional representation as I see it is that at the moment you can choose which candidate from a list that you want to represent you. With PR you will just vote for the party and you will get whoever they see fit to give you. I prefer first past the post. Also with PR it will always be the party that comes 3rd that decides who will be PM because no party will ever get an overall majority.


I agree, the PR system is more corrupt than what we currently have.

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I agree, the PR system is more corrupt than what we currently have.


Now why doesn't that surprise me?

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Most countries with PR have weak government. Regardless of your political views, we nearly always get a strong government in this country that can get on a nd govern.

I'll admit, I've not been very impressed with the last 13 years but investment and business likes stability which our system provides. We may have a hung parliament producing a second election later this year but that will be the first time it has happened since 1974.

Other countries, Italy and Israel spring immediately to mind, have yuears of multiple elections on a very frequent basis.

PS Brighton Breezy, I told you so back in 1997..... So it has come to pass, the country bankrupt for the second time in my life following a labour administration taking over a bouyant tory economy.


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gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:

I agree, the PR system is more corrupt than what we currently have.


Now why doesn't that surprise me?


That it's corrupt or that's what he thinks :?

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toots wrote:
gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:

I agree, the PR system is more corrupt than what we currently have.


Now why doesn't that surprise me?


That it's corrupt or that's what he thinks :?


Both :wink:

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grandad wrote:
The problem with proportional representation as I see it is that at the moment you can choose which candidate from a list that you want to represent you. With PR you will just vote for the party and you will get whoever they see fit to give you. I prefer first past the post. Also with PR it will always be the party that comes 3rd that decides who will be PM because no party will ever get an overall majority.


why should 9 million decide who rules 60 million?


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cabbyman wrote:
Most countries with PR have weak government. Regardless of your political views, we nearly always get a strong government in this country that can get on a nd govern.



If strong government is more important than the views of the majority, wouldn't a dictatorship be even better?

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