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One of my colleagues has been having immense problems with his gearbox on a Nissan Primastar. I understand there is a reservoir of some sort for the clutch or gearbox low down in the engine. I further understand that this reservoir was installed higher up in a different manifestation of the engine/vehicle. He's had two bills approaching £2500 and told them £750. He's had a right runaround with it.

I'm not saying you'll get the same problems but make sure you get full chapter and verse on where they want it serviced for the warranty. Also, make them aware that if you lose money because they can't find out what's wrong if it goes wrong, you'll be after them for loss of earnings.

That aside, I hope you have a successful relationship with your new vehicle. :D


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One of my colleagues has been having immense problems with his gearbox on a Nissan Primastar. I understand there is a reservoir of some sort for the clutch or gearbox low down in the engine. I further understand that this reservoir was installed higher up in a different manifestation of the engine/vehicle. He's had two bills approaching £2500 and told them £750. He's had a right runaround with it.

I'm not saying you'll get the same problems but make sure you get full chapter and verse on where they want it serviced for the warranty. Also, make them aware that if you lose money because they can't find out what's wrong if it goes wrong, you'll be after them for loss of earnings.

That aside, I hope you have a successful relationship with your new vehicle. :D


and not a regular relationship with your main dealer....oh, sorry, its not a Citroen is it


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I don't think it is a DSG, at least that's what my Vehicle Encyclopaedic son Greg has told me. The DSG gearboxes are the top spec ones fitted in many German cars now & the Quickshift 6 isn't that high a spec. Secretly, I do hope my son is wrong & you are right, but I don't think that's the case.

Its the same by a different name
lever over to the left for automatic, move lever to the right for manual changes by pushing the lever forward for up shifts and back for down shifts, skoda now do a 7 gear shift system

It's not the same Mr Skippy41!!

For a start the DSC gearbox has TWO internal electronically operated clutches & because of that the gear change is infinitely smoother & almost instantanious; very similar to the 'physical feel' of a standard automatic gearbox, which is correctly set up. And because of it's refinements the DSG box is far more expensive to fit.

There are other differences & once I have spoken to the Vehicle Encyclopaedia known as Greg, I will post further detail about the differences.

More info;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyouneedt ... Gworks.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=WVWP7TYhP0c

My new Renault NX8 does not have this system, as it only has one electronically operated clutch within the gearbox.

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One of my colleagues has been having immense problems with his gearbox on a Nissan Primastar. I understand there is a reservoir of some sort for the clutch or gearbox low down in the engine. I further understand that this reservoir was installed higher up in a different manifestation of the engine/vehicle. He's had two bills approaching £2500 and told them £750. He's had a right runaround with it.

I'm not saying you'll get the same problems but make sure you get full chapter and verse on where they want it serviced for the warranty. Also, make them aware that if you lose money because they can't find out what's wrong if it goes wrong, you'll be after them for loss of earnings.

That aside, I hope you have a successful relationship with your new vehicle. :D

Although I'm not a mechanic, the immediate question I would ask your colleague is; can he drive the vehicle in manual mode?

If he can & it drives perfectly well in manual but does not change gear in auto mode, which I believe is not uncommon, then the gearbox must be functioning correctly, especially if he can change gear manually & in so doing over-revs or labours the engine, depending on speed.

If this does happen, I would suggest that nothing more serious than a speed sensor somewhere in the system, & there are many of them, is at fault.

I have to say that your colleagues troubles are the first I have heard about with these models. I would be very interested to learn in much more detail what the symptoms & problems are?

A new topic in the Repairs & Maintenance section might be appropriate when you know more details.

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I'll try. If I get anymore, I'll let you know.


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A dual clutch transmission, commonly abbreviated to DCT[1] (sometimes informally referred to as a twin-clutch gearbox, double clutch transmission, or similar variations thereof), is a differing type of semi-automatic or automated manual automotive transmission. It utilises two separate clutches[2] for odd and even gear sets. It can fundamentally be described as two separate manual transmissions (with their respective clutches) contained within one housing, and working as one unit.[1][3] They are usually operated in a fully automatic mode, and many also have the ability to allow the driver to manually shift gears,[2] albeit still carried out by the transmission's electro-hydraulics.

This type of transmission was invented by Frenchman Adolphe Kégresse just prior to World War II,[4] but he never developed a working model. The first actual DCTs arrived from Porsche in-house development, for Porsche racing cars in the 1980s,[1] when computers to control the transmission became compact enough: the Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (English: dual clutch gearbox) (PDK)[1] used in the Porsche 956[1] and 962[1] Le Mans race cars from 1983,[1] and the Audi Sport Quattro S1 rally car.[4][5]

A dual clutch transmission eliminates the torque converter as used in conventional epicyclic-geared automatic transmissions.[2] Instead, dual clutch transmissions that are currently on the market primarily use two oil-bathed wet multi-plate clutches, similar to the clutches used in most motorcycles, though dry clutch versions are also available.[6]

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The first series production road car to be fitted with a DCT was the Direct-Shift Gearbox (DSG) in the 2003 Volkswagen Golf Mk4 R32.[1][7][8]


As of 2009, the largest number of sales of DCTs in Western Europe are by various marques of the German Volkswagen Group,[9] though this is anticipated to lessen as other transmission makers and vehicle manufacturers make DCTs available in series production automobiles.[1][10]


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Brum, your title of this thread may come back to haunt you Renault's are renowned for electrical problems
You may get lucky with this one, and you have the warranty for so long, but I would have gone for the VW, or Merc


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Not the Skoda????????????????????


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cabbyman wrote:
Not the Skoda????????????????????


Only if I'm forced by law to get a wav :D
Skoda is considering making one though 8)


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A dual clutch transmission, commonly abbreviated to DCT[1] (sometimes informally referred to as a twin-clutch gearbox, double clutch transmission, or similar variations thereof), is a differing type of semi-automatic or automated manual automotive transmission. It utilises two separate clutches[2] for odd and even gear sets. It can fundamentally be described as two separate manual transmissions (with their respective clutches) contained within one housing, and working as one unit.[1][3] They are usually operated in a fully automatic mode, and many also have the ability to allow the driver to manually shift gears,[2] albeit still carried out by the transmission's electro-hydraulics.

This type of transmission was invented by Frenchman Adolphe Kégresse just prior to World War II,[4] but he never developed a working model. The first actual DCTs arrived from Porsche in-house development, for Porsche racing cars in the 1980s,[1] when computers to control the transmission became compact enough: the Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (English: dual clutch gearbox) (PDK)[1] used in the Porsche 956[1] and 962[1] Le Mans race cars from 1983,[1] and the Audi Sport Quattro S1 rally car.[4][5]

A dual clutch transmission eliminates the torque converter as used in conventional epicyclic-geared automatic transmissions.[2] Instead, dual clutch transmissions that are currently on the market primarily use two oil-bathed wet multi-plate clutches, similar to the clutches used in most motorcycles, though dry clutch versions are also available.[6]

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The first series production road car to be fitted with a DCT was the Direct-Shift Gearbox (DSG) in the 2003 Volkswagen Golf Mk4 R32.[1][7][8]


As of 2009, the largest number of sales of DCTs in Western Europe are by various marques of the German Volkswagen Group,[9] though this is anticipated to lessen as other transmission makers and vehicle manufacturers make DCTs available in series production automobiles.[1][10]

And??

So??

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Brum, your title of this thread may come back to haunt you Renault's are renowned for electrical problems
You may get lucky with this one, and you have the warranty for so long, but I would have gone for the VW, or Merc

Renaults & French cars in general are ONLY renowned for electrical problems IF you start messing with or tapping into the existing wiring looms. Then you get error messages on the dashboard or diagnostic computers, such as 'voltage too high on wire abc456' or 'fault on horn wiring'. Everything is computer controlled, so you don't mess.

Voyager MPV fit a seperate loom to all their additions which has been approved by Renault.

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skippy41 wrote:
Brum, your title of this thread may come back to haunt you Renault's are renowned for electrical problems
You may get lucky with this one, and you have the warranty for so long, but I would have gone for the VW, or Merc


Mr Skippy is there nothing you don't know about vehicles?

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Brum, your title of this thread may come back to haunt you Renault's are renowned for electrical problems
You may get lucky with this one, and you have the warranty for so long, but I would have gone for the VW, or Merc

Mr Skippy is there nothing you don't know about vehicles?

Ms Toots; Please don't criticise Mr Skipp41!!

He does know an awful lot about vehicles & here's just how much he really does know;

Mr Skippy41's Vast Encyclopaedia of Vehicle Knowledge

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BC was you going to say something and forgot :?

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BC was you going to say something and forgot :?

I had the hiccups!!

But they're over now!!

:lol: :lol:

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