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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:04 pm 
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and if the trained animal was other than a dog?....


Like what, exactly?


doesnt/wouldnt matter, a hack is only SPECIFICALLY obliged to carry seeing eye DOGS


I think you will find that you have to carry "assistance" dogs which also covers hearing dogs and possibly others.


I think "you have to" is the problem. Who said, blind compliance is a prerequisite of the job? :shock:

wannabeeahack, has a point.
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Skull wrote:
grandad wrote:
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and if the trained animal was other than a dog?....


Like what, exactly?


doesnt/wouldnt matter, a hack is only SPECIFICALLY obliged to carry seeing eye DOGS


I think you will find that you have to carry "assistance" dogs which also covers hearing dogs and possibly others.


I think "you have to" is the problem. Who said, blind compliance is a prerequisite of the job? :shock:

wannabeeahack, has a point.
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I don't agree. I think the DDA covers it.

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so (also) if im blind a taxi cant refuse my dog, if im not then the dog can be turned away


how is that equality?


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wannabeeahack wrote:
so (also) if im blind a taxi cant refuse my dog, if im not then the dog can be turned away


how is that equality?


The equalities act is to ensure that everybody has (as far possible) equal opportunity to use services etc. It is not there to say everybody is equal. If we were all equal we wouldn't need an act to make sure people were able to access products, services etc. Be glad you're not a business with a two storey building otherwise you'd be adding a lift, wider doors and a slope amongst other things. I can't believe how uncaring and selfish some drivers appear to be when a post like this appears on TDO :-|

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the point is that paying (not me) maybe £20K for a nice new car and having Rover* leap across the seats isnt fair, not on the car owner nor the next punterm once moving the driver cant control where the dog is can he/she

You've obviously never carried one of these assistance dogs.

They are EXCEPTIONALLY well behaved, because that is how they are trained. They always sit on the floor & even in cars the disabled dog owner should be offered the front passenger seat with the seat fully pushed back & the dog will again sit on the floor.

That is how they are trained, they are a joy to carry!!!!

And I'm not particularly fond of animals except my fish.

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your not following my point (s)...

1. why should anyone be forced to carry a dog?
2. why should able bodied persons not be allowed to carry thier dogs in taxis?

I have no doubt all assistance dogs are very well behaved and trained, im not anti-dog, im anti-legislation....


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The equalities act is to ensure that everybody has (as far possible) equal opportunity to use services etc.
It is not there to say everybody is equal.



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wannabeeahack wrote:
your not following my point (s)...

1. why should anyone be forced to carry a dog?
2. why should able bodied persons not be allowed to carry thier dogs in taxis?

I have no doubt all assistance dogs are very well behaved and trained, im not anti-dog, im anti-legislation....


No one has said that able bodied people are not allowed their dogs in a taxi but that is at the drivers discretion.

I don't think you are anti dog or anti legislation. I think you are an argumentative bugger. :mrgreen:

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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
your not following my point (s)...

1. why should anyone be forced to carry a dog?
2. why should able bodied persons not be allowed to carry thier dogs in taxis?

I have no doubt all assistance dogs are very well behaved and trained, im not anti-dog, im anti-legislation....

No one has said that able bodied people are not allowed their dogs in a taxi but that is at the drivers discretion.

I don't think you are anti dog or anti legislation. I think you are an argumentative bugger. :mrgreen:

Arrange into a well know phrase or saying;

Calling Who Look The Kettle Is Black

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
your not following my point (s)...

1. why should anyone be forced to carry a dog?
2. why should able bodied persons not be allowed to carry thier dogs in taxis?

I have no doubt all assistance dogs are very well behaved and trained, im not anti-dog, im anti-legislation....

No one has said that able bodied people are not allowed their dogs in a taxi but that is at the drivers discretion.

I don't think you are anti dog or anti legislation. I think you are an argumentative bugger. :mrgreen:

Arrange into a well know phrase or saying;

Calling Who Look The Kettle Is Black


I don't need to. I AM an argumentative bugger. :mrgreen:

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its an odd thing

when an arguement suits then thats fine (like restricting HC numbers) but when it doesnt then the easiest thing to do is shoot the messenger....


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wannabeeahack wrote:
its an odd thing

when an arguement suits then thats fine (like restricting HC numbers) but when it doesnt then the easiest thing to do is shoot the messenger....


What argument and who got shot? The reason for legislation is cos some people need to be guided or even told what to do for the better and not just for oneself. I personally think it's a disgrace that such legislation had to be brought in in the first place.

At the end of the day you're either prepared to take an assistance dog or you're a tw@t, you choose :wink:

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wannabeeahack wrote:
so (also) if im blind a taxi cant refuse my dog, if im not then the dog can be turned away


how is that equality?


Guide (and other assistance) dogs must be in harness, otherwise you don't have to carry them.

The legal requirement is so that blind people are not unnecessarily disadvantaged by other people's prejudices. The same prejudices which would have meant black people, women, the disabled, gay people etc all being refused in the past.
The only sad thing is that it needed legislation. Your question is exactly the reason why.

BTW If your not blind, you have the choice to leave your dog at home.

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wannabeeahack wrote:
1. why should anyone be forced to carry a dog?
2. why should able bodied persons not be allowed to carry thier dogs in taxis?

1. As I implied, the law says taxis must. Therefore if you don't want to carry guide and hearing dogs, go stack a shelf.
2. Who says they can't?

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Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
1. why should anyone be forced to carry a dog?
2. why should able bodied persons not be allowed to carry thier dogs in taxis?

1. As I implied, the law says taxis must. Therefore if you don't want to carry guide and hearing dogs, go stack a shelf.
2. Who says they can't?


well if the law discriminates postively (i.e. it omits non-disabled from the wording) it is unfair surely?

i.e. "sorry mate, your not blind, i dont have tp carry your dog"

instantly ive been discriminated against!

if muslims wont carry assistance dogs where legally obliged to they damn sure aint gonna carry able-bodied folks dog, so the law is an ass....


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