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Taxi driver to challenge laws requiring drivers to act respectfully

Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 07:28 PM

A taxi driver has secured leave from the High Court to challenge his conviction on a public order offence arising from a dispute with another taxi driver.

Jehosh Adekiyesi is challenging the constitutionality of provisions of the Road Traffic Regulations requiring taxi drivers to behave in "a civil, orderly and respectful" manner and section 6 of the Public Order Act after being convicted of both offences at Dublin District Court last May.

The convictions relate to an altercation he had with another taxi driver at Stephen's Green North on March 6 last after one taxi driver was seen by a Garda to have moved to an inside lane and the other taxi in front of it would not move.

The court heard that it appeared to the GardaĆ­ that a fist fight was about to occur.

The District Court heard that while the other party left the scene after calming down. However Mr Adekiyesi was arrested and conveyed to Hardcourt Terrace garda station.

He claims that District Judge Victor Blake, who fined Mr Adekiyesi after finding him guilty, erred in law by convicting him of offences that are bad in law on grounds including that the offences lack precision, clarity, are vague and uncertain.

Mr Adekiyesi of Balcurris Gardens, Ballymun, Dublin 11 secured leave from the High Court Judge Blake, the Director of Public Prosecutions, Ireland and the Attorney General aimed at quashing the convictions he received on May 17 last.

Leave was granted by Mr Justice Michael Peart who made the matter returnable to a date later this month.

In his proceedings Mr Adekiyesi is seeking orders preventing his further trial on the offences.

He is seeking a number of declarations including article 52 of the Road Traffic (Public Service Vehicles) Regulations which creates the offence of failing to behave in a civil, orderly and respectful manner is unconstitutional and incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.

He is also seeking a declaration that the section 6 of the Criminal Justice (Public Order Act) 1994 is unconstitutional and incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.

In an affidavit to the court Mr Adekiyesi's solicitor Cahir O'Higgins said that his client was convicted of engaging in threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent to provoke a breach of the peace and for failing to behave in a "a civil, orderly and respectful" manner.

Mr O Higgins said that the challenge to the constitutionality of article 52 of the Road Traffic regulations is being brought on grounds including that the article served to criminalise behaviour which was not in any sense criminal.

Further grounds include that the article requires the driver of a public service vehicle to act in a manner that is not capable of definition and open to a multitude of interpretations.

Mr O'Higgins added that to convict a person for an offence under the article was in effect double penalisation and would amount to the convicting an accused person twice for the same act.

Mr O'Higgins adds that the challenge against Section 6 of the Public Order Act is being brought on grounds including that the section offends the rule that criminal offences should be clearly and specifically defined.

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If we had this law in the UK most of the drivers in the trade now, wouldn't be.

And some on the naughty Scottish Section wouldn't have a prayer.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Mr O'Higgins added that to convict a person for an offence under the article was in effect double penalisation and would amount to the convicting an accused person twice for the same act.

That bit will be interesting to watch. :?

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Pmsl........ I'd love to see it renamed that :lol: :lol: :lol:

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toots wrote:
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Pmsl........ I'd love to see it renamed that :lol: :lol: :lol:

Start a new thread in General Issues then & name the thread 'Ballot to rename The Scottish Section'

And we all vote yay or nay.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
If we had this law in the UK most of the drivers in the trade now, wouldn't be.


I thought the 1847 act covered it?

61 Penalty on drivers misbehaving .If the driver or any other person having or pretending to have the care of any such hackney carriage be intoxicated while driving, or if any such driver or other person by wanton and furious driving, or by any other wilful misconduct, injure or endanger any person in his life, limbs, or property, he shall be liable to a penalty

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
If we had this law in the UK most of the drivers in the trade now, wouldn't be.

I thought the 1847 act covered it?

61 Penalty on drivers misbehaving .If the driver or any other person having or pretending to have the care of any such hackney carriage be intoxicated while driving, or if any such driver or other person by wanton and furious driving, or by any other wilful misconduct, injure or endanger any person in his life, limbs, or property, he shall be liable to a penalty

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Not quite the same as having an argument as in the article, is it?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Not quite the same as having an argument as in the article, is it?


We have breach of the Peace still dont we?

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Not quite the same as having an argument as in the article, is it?

We have breach of the Peace still dont we?

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Yes, but the article goes much further than that.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Not quite the same as having an argument as in the article, is it?

We have breach of the Peace still dont we?

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Yes, but the article goes much further than that.


Wouldnt a conviction for breach of the peace need to be declared to the LA thus putting the drivers license under question?

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Not quite the same as having an argument as in the article, is it?

We have breach of the Peace still dont we?

CC

Yes, but the article goes much further than that.

Wouldnt a conviction for breach of the peace need to be declared to the LA thus putting the drivers license under question?

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The main thrust of his action is as stated in the atricle;

'He is seeking a number of declarations including article 52 of the Road Traffic (Public Service Vehicles) Regulations which creates the offence of failing to behave in a civil, orderly and respectful manner is unconstitutional and incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.

He is also seeking a declaration that the section 6 of the Criminal Justice (Public Order Act) 1994 is unconstitutional and incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.'


That's the point I am making; forget the rest.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Not quite the same as having an argument as in the article, is it?

We have breach of the Peace still dont we?

CC

Yes, but the article goes much further than that.

Wouldnt a conviction for breach of the peace need to be declared to the LA thus putting the drivers license under question?

CC

The main thrust of his action is as stated in the atricle;

'He is seeking a number of declarations including article 52 of the Road Traffic (Public Service Vehicles) Regulations which creates the offence of failing to behave in a civil, orderly and respectful manner is unconstitutional and incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.

He is also seeking a declaration that the section 6 of the Criminal Justice (Public Order Act) 1994 is unconstitutional and incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.'


That's the point I am making; forget the rest.


I see.....he dont stand a chance IMO

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Not quite the same as having an argument as in the article, is it?

We have breach of the Peace still dont we?

CC

Yes, but the article goes much further than that.

Wouldnt a conviction for breach of the peace need to be declared to the LA thus putting the drivers license under question?

CC

The main thrust of his action is as stated in the atricle;

'He is seeking a number of declarations including article 52 of the Road Traffic (Public Service Vehicles) Regulations which creates the offence of failing to behave in a civil, orderly and respectful manner is unconstitutional and incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.

He is also seeking a declaration that the section 6 of the Criminal Justice (Public Order Act) 1994 is unconstitutional and incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.'


That's the point I am making; forget the rest.

I see.....he dont stand a chance IMO

CC

You never know; EC on HR is a very different funny old world!!

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The model byelaws seem to cover it though;

The driver of a hackney carriage shall behave in a civil and orderly manner and shall take all reasonable precautions to ensure the safety of persons conveyed in or entering or alighting from the vehicle.

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