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Smoked Glass
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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As a hack can be used for pre-booked "private hire" type services outside its own licensed district, there is no prohibition.

A HC can be used outside its own area, I agree.

But surely the booking at least has to be made whilst the HC driver is within his own area. Again, otherwise what's the point of licensed areas?

That would also imply that if I, as a Brummie cabbie, drop within the private grounds of a hotel in say your area, Manchester & I'm approached by a passenger that wants to go back to the area that I live in, the MB of Walsall, there is nothing illegal in me accepting & doing that job?

That would be illegal! The passengers would have to book you by telephone for you to be able to take them. 8) You have to cover yourself because if you had an accident when you returned with the ppl on board your insurance would be invalid if it was found that you had taken a flagdown job in another LA.
You have to use a bit of ingenuity to make sure you were legal! :wink:

One day any taxi will be able to pick-up anyone anywere......but not just yet! :cry:
I know were you are coming from with the term Private Grounds but mr Sussex will enlighten us further.
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Smoked Glass wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
mancityfan wrote:
As a hack can be used for pre-booked "private hire" type services outside its own licensed district, there is no prohibition.

A HC can be used outside its own area, I agree.

But surely the booking at least has to be made whilst the HC driver is within his own area. Again, otherwise what's the point of licensed areas?

That would also imply that if I, as a Brummie cabbie, drop within the private grounds of a hotel in say your area, Manchester & I'm approached by a passenger that wants to go back to the area that I live in, the MB of Walsall, there is nothing illegal in me accepting & doing that job?

That would be illegal! The passengers would have to book you by telephone for you to be able to take them. 8) You have to cover yourself because if you had an accident when you returned with the ppl on board your insurance would be invalid if it was found that you had taken a flagdown job in another LA.
You have to use a bit of ingenuity to make sure you were legal! :wink:

One day any taxi will be able to pick-up anyone anywere......but not just yet! :cry:
I know were you are coming from with the term Private Grounds but mr Sussex will enlighten us further.


In relation to private grounds I think you might find the LA can do very little.

I refer you to the Scampion case posted elsewhere on this site.

Better still ask DocG.....I'm sure he would love any information you can offer to the contrary?

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Recently I came across the thickest LO of the year. :sad:

He suspended (or his brain dead councillors did) a hackney carriage driver, not owner, because he was advertising on the net without an PH operator's license.

The LO was really trying to be clever by pointing out to councillors the meaning of "operate";

means in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle.

He was saying to those councillors that as the driver didn't have a hackney carriage vehicle license, or a PH ops license, he was therefore in breach of the act.

However he forgot the mention to those councillors the meaning of "private hire vehicle";

means a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat [fewer than nine passengers], other than a hackney carriage or public service vehicle [or a London cab] [or tramcar], which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers

Going to cost Tunbridge Wells council a lot of money in court costs. [-X

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Well thanks captain! I was not expecting you to reply, but you did pick-up on what was going around in our heads. :wink: :wink:
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Well thanks captain! I was not expecting you to reply, but you did pick-up on what was going around in our heads. :wink: :wink:


Perhaps, but I have two issues.......given the day a cab from any area can pick up anywhere.....I wouldnt like to take the knowledge test.......and I dont particularly want to know what is going around in certain members heads :lol:

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Recently I came across the thickest LO of the year.

He suspended (or his brain dead councillors did) a hackney carriage driver, not owner, because he was advertising on the net without an PH operator's license.

The LO was really trying to be clever by pointing out to councillors the meaning of "operate";

means in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle.

He was saying to those councillors that as the driver didn't have a hackney carriage vehicle license, or a PH ops license, he was therefore in breach of the act.

However he forgot the mention to those councillors the meaning of "private hire vehicle";

means a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat [fewer than nine passengers], other than a hackney carriage or public service vehicle [or a London cab] [or tramcar], which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers

Going to cost Tunbridge Wells council a lot of money in court costs.


He also forgot to mention Brentwood vs Gladen
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Perhaps, but I have two issues.......given the day a cab from any area can pick up anywhere.....I wouldnt like to take the knowledge test.......


They will scrap the knowledge test for a sat nav.simples
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Perhaps, but I have two issues.......given the day a cab from any area can pick up anywhere.....I wouldnt like to take the knowledge test.......

They will scrap the knowledge test for a sat nav.simples

And in most cases ask the passenger to type in the destination post code into the sat nav!!

And probably press 'Go' too!!

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He also forgot to mention Brentwood vs Gladen

I think it was mentioned, it's just old thicky from the council doesn't share the judges view. :roll: :roll:

Reading that judgement it's clear, rightly or wrongly, that a mass murderer can take bookings for hackney carriages.

Yet old thicky from Tunbridge seems to think licensed cab drivers can't. ](*,)

Methinks the cull of civil servants can't come quick enough.

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