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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:16 pm 
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There are a number of district councils which already exercise no control over
the number of taxis in their areas without causing problems of over supply.
However, the Department accepts that in some areas the total abandonment
of quantity control could lead to an initial over-supply of taxis before market
forces could being about an equilibrium between supply and demand. In
order to avoid possible disruption, a district council faced with a large number
of applicants could in the Department’s view, reasonably grant a proportion of
the applications, deferring consideration of the remainder until the effects of
granting the first tranche could be assessed.”


Here's another little interesting snippet from the same report. Strange how you didn't think that bit as interesting as I do :wink:

Anyway it's a really interesting report and I hope caledonion cabbie has read all of it by now. It has the plate premium within it and also the correct number of taxis to 126 just prior to de-restriction


Sorry Toots, but this is nonsense. The council has no leeway under the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 to defer granting licences, except with the approval of a Sheriff. And there would have to be a very good reason for such an extension.

Whether a Sheriff would put the council's request before that of an applicant citing competition rules and his rights not to be discriminated against, coupled with the plain fact that other licence types already operate under such rules successfully, is anyone's guess.

Me? I think the Sheriff would throw the request out.

After all rules is rules :wink:


It's not nonsense at all, it's a point of view to be taken into consideration and that was the reason I posted it. If the council have a method, even if such method is via the sheriff then they do have leeway. So to say they don't is nonsense

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There are a number of district councils which already exercise no control over
the number of taxis in their areas without causing problems of over supply.
However, the Department accepts that in some areas the total abandonment
of quantity control could lead to an initial over-supply of taxis before market
forces could being about an equilibrium between supply and demand. In
order to avoid possible disruption, a district council faced with a large number
of applicants could in the Department’s view, reasonably grant a proportion of
the applications, deferring consideration of the remainder until the effects of
granting the first tranche could be assessed.”


Here's another little interesting snippet from the same report. Strange how you didn't think that bit as interesting as I do :wink:

Anyway it's a really interesting report and I hope caledonion cabbie has read all of it by now. It has the plate premium within it and also the correct number of taxis to 126 just prior to de-restriction


Sorry Toots, but this is nonsense. The council has no leeway under the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 to defer granting licences, except with the approval of a Sheriff. And there would have to be a very good reason for such an extension.

Whether a Sheriff would put the council's request before that of an applicant citing competition rules and his rights not to be discriminated against, coupled with the plain fact that other licence types already operate under such rules successfully, is anyone's guess.

Me? I think the Sheriff would throw the request out.

After all rules is rules :wink:


It's not nonsense at all, it's a point of view to be taken into consideration and that was the reason I posted it. If the council have a method, even if such method is via the sheriff then they do have leeway. So to say they don't is nonsense


Yes Toots, and that's exactly what the council tried to do with Ali Turnbull's case.

They asked for an extension. The Sheriff replied by granting the licence.

If an applicant opposed the council's request, the Sheriff would have no other option than to deny the request. The Courts are not there to administer licences. And the situation is one entirely the council's own making. Human Rights alone would ensure that it was the applicant's rights that were protected.

What you're hoping for is preposterous. But you already know this don't you?

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What you're hoping for is preposterous. But you already know this don't you?


What you seem to be forgetting Jasbar is that I'm not hoping for anything, preposterous or otherwise. I am merely offering another point of view to your own. You can only have a debate if there is more than one option to discuss. Other than being called a 'feckwit' and 'a failure' I've enjoyed this debate and don't take the contents too personal. At the end of the day whatever happens doesn't have any effect on me :wink:

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CC, why don't you just go away and stop bothering people. There's only so much of your inane drivel we should have to put up with :roll:

BTW If the rag you write for wasn't given away free how many people would actually read it? In fact, I don't know anyone who does.


PMSL.....I know you get yours hand delivered :lol:

As for you not knowing anyone who does, I'm not actually surprised, very few of your colleagues in edinburgh actually want to know you.

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Jasbar wrote:

CC, why don't you just go away and stop bothering people. There's only so much of your inane drivel we should have to put up with :roll:



FFS..."glass houses" and "stones" come to mind!!!

Or..."practice what you preach"...or "pot and kettle"...or "hypocrite"...etc, etc.

That said...if you promise to go too Jasbar, I'm sure that the vast majority on here would be happy to make a martyr of C.C. and tell him to f*ck off, just to be rid of your inane drivel. (No offence meant CC :wink: :D)


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FFS..."glass houses" and "stones" come to mind!!!

Or..."practice what you preach"...or "pot and kettle"...or "hypocrite"...etc, etc.

That said...if you promise to go too Jasbar, I'm sure that the vast majority on here would be happy to make a martyr of C.C. and tell him to f*ck off, just to be rid of your inane drivel. (No offence meant CC :wink: :D)


Non taken.....ffs :lol:

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This was pre de-restriction some 8 years ago. Surprisingly or maybe not so surprisingly pirating still goes on. There will be a queue of taxis outside on the rank and people will walk over to PH and be picked up. The HC's don't know if it's pre booked or otherwise. However to give the council their due they are now doing test purchases to try and weed out the culprits, we can but see how it goes.


Indeed, but no one ever claimed that derestriction would eradicate these problems altogether.

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It was also pre the open drinking hours. You no longer get the bounce where you had more customers than taxis/ph. Anyway WBC now have the issues of over ranking at night outside the clubs and pubs of the Wirral. Over ranking in daytime at the shopping areas. With few or very taxis available Sun, Mon, Tues or Wed evening and night cos it just isn't worth the effort to come out. They've bred a trade of cherry pickers who will work daytime Mon to Wednesday and day and night on a Thursday to Saturday where drivers work excessively long hours


Bit of a contradiction between drivers working excessively long hours and cherry picking, Toots.

And for cherry picking, perhaps read drivers working the shifts that suits them rather than being dictated to?

Indeed, I suspect even Tone gets to 'cherry pick' when he wants to work, although some jockies don't have that choice.

And do you work the hours dictated by your circuit, or do you cherry pick yourself, perchance?

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With few or very taxis available Sun, Mon, Tues or Wed evening and night cos it just isn't worth the effort to come out.


It it isn't worth the effort, presumably that means because there's too many taxis for the customer deman on those nights, so what's the problem?

You want more taxis out when it's quiet????

Seems to me that what you call cherry picking is just the laws of supply and demand working, and what happens in the taxi and PH trades with and without restrictions on numbers.

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Here's another little interesting snippet from the same report. Strange how you didn't think that bit as interesting as I do :wink:


Well there was plenty of other stuff I could have quoted, Toots. Indeed, wasn't this the report that was a precursor to derestriction :wink:

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Anyway it's a really interesting report and I hope caledonion cabbie has read all of it by now. It has the plate premium within it and also the correct number of taxis to 126 just prior to de-restriction


Indeed, and I didn't know that it was the Wirral you were talking about earlier, but it strange that Captain C was quoting from a Wirral document and you work there :wink:

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So, Wirral found that it is harder to get a taxi when taxis are at their busiest. And, phc cars pick up illegally outside night clubs.

The dogs on the street know that.


Indeed, Frank, but thanks for for adding weight to the arguments in the Best Practice Guidance :lol:

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Chilon of Sparta wrote:
Jasbar wrote:

CC, why don't you just go away and stop bothering people. There's only so much of your inane drivel we should have to put up with :roll:



FFS..."glass houses" and "stones" come to mind!!!

Or..."practice what you preach"...or "pot and kettle"...or "hypocrite"...etc, etc.

That said...if you promise to go too Jasbar, I'm sure that the vast majority on here would be happy to make a martyr of C.C. and tell him to f*ck off, just to be rid of your inane drivel. (No offence meant CC :wink: :D)


Shouldn't the children be in bed?

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With few or very taxis available Sun, Mon, Tues or Wed evening and night cos it just isn't worth the effort to come out.


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It it isn't worth the effort, presumably that means because there's too many taxis for the customer deman on those nights, so what's the problem?


There's too many taxis for public demand any night, but, the point I was trying to make is that it's very difficult to get a taxi on those 4 nights thus putting the public at risk from the very thing the BPG tries to protect them from.

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Bit of a contradiction between drivers working excessively long hours and cherry picking, Toots.


I don't think there is actually cos drivers will work excessively long hours on Thurs, Fri and Sat. BPG is concerned with public safety and imo the public are at a greater risk if the driver is coming to end of a very long shift

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Well there was plenty of other stuff I could have quoted, Toots. Indeed, wasn't this the report that was a precursor to derestriction


Read the court case that this report was relevant to and you will find the precursor to derestrition :wink:

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Indeed, and I didn't know that it was the Wirral you were talking about earlier, but it strange that Captain C was quoting from a Wirral document and you work there :wink:



Why do you think, yet again, it is strage? That is where his point about the HRA is, it's as simple as that :roll:

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Jasbar wrote:
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CC, why don't you just go away and stop bothering people. There's only so much of your inane drivel we should have to put up with :roll:



FFS..."glass houses" and "stones" come to mind!!!

Or..."practice what you preach"...or "pot and kettle"...or "hypocrite"...etc, etc.

That said...if you promise to go too Jasbar, I'm sure that the vast majority on here would be happy to make a martyr of C.C. and tell him to f*ck off, just to be rid of your inane drivel. (No offence meant CC :wink: :D)


Shouldn't the children be in bed?

:lol:


Naah...we're allowed up until midnight (at least) "round here". :D

(Mind you, I'm told that in some households, the kids stay in bed anyway, too scared to get up, after hearing their mums getting a good hiding. Thank God no-one on TDO is like that! :shock: )


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There's too many taxis for public demand any night, but, the point I was trying to make is that it's very difficult to get a taxi on those 4 nights thus putting the public at risk from the very thing the BPG tries to protect them from.


Well you've totally lost me here, Toots - perhaps I'm missing something but it seems that you're totally contradicting yourself. #-o

How difficult do you want to make it for the public to get a taxi?

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I don't think there is actually cos drivers will work excessively long hours on Thurs, Fri and Sat. BPG is concerned with public safety and imo the public are at a greater risk if the driver is coming to end of a very long shift


So what about the likes of drivers in York paying £200 per week just for a plate, and then they have to pay for a car in addition to that? :shock:

And a couple of weeks ago I mentioned that the official figures had shown that there was no difference in accident rates between restricted and unrestricted areas.

Must be those massive rentals in restricted areas that's the problem.


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Read the court case that this report was relevant to and you will find the precursor to derestrition :wink:


Well I haven't got the court case, so perhaps you could be more specific?


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Why do you think, yet again, it is strage? That is where his point about the HRA is, it's as simple as that :roll


Indeed, a total coincidence that the quote that Captain Cab keeps on repeating happens to come from a document by your council, out of hundreds in the country. A total coincidence, I agree :wink:

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And you didn't answer the point about whether you were cherry picking your own shifts, Toots.

A classic case of 'do as Toots says, not as Toots does', to quote the phrase you (nearly) used the other day :wink:

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And you didn't answer the point about whether you were cherry picking your own shifts, Toots.

A classic case of 'do as Toots says, not as Toots does', to quote the phrase you (nearly) used the other day :wink:


I go out when I go out and come home when I come home. I don't need to cherry pick, I don't need that much money :wink:

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