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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:40 pm 
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No, I think you were having a (feigned) blonde moment and were trying to wind me up :lol:


Me!! do that :shock: nah.........

I did only ever want your opinion of people who sold plates, that's all from that particular point in this thread :D

Incidently on a thread like this I wouldn't feign a blonde moment. That kind of moment is usually reserved for the less serious thread on here, it lets others see that I do actually have a fun side. I do genuinely have an idiot mode. It's not something I'm proud of but they usually occur when people put up abbreviations :wink:

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Toots, a couple of questions re your scenario. How much were plates trading for before derestriction, and when did it happen?


We were de-restricted in 2002. I will get back to you when I find out how much plates were changing hands for here prior to that.

Plates were changing hands for approx. £16,000 prior to de-restriction

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As for the points about the derestriction scenarios, perhaps it's better to rewind a bit.

Captain Cab said:

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Is a cab driver better off paying £5K for a cab and plate, or £20K for a cab with free plate because the LA brought in WAV only policies and age limit on first license?


I suggested that going from the first to the second scenario could result in less taxis. CC thought that they would triple or quadruple.

I don't believe that for a minute.

Do you think the number of taxis would triple in Edinburgh on derestriction?

Not on your nelly.


Ok pre de-restriction we had approx. 82 taxis. Now the question you asked was would they triple on de-restriction in Edinburgh. Who knows I certainly don't but I do know when we de-restricted we hit a high of 400 plates. I do believe there are now 232 plates actually being used. Of those 232 plates 93 have felt it necessary to join a PH circuit to make ends meet. Approx. another 50 odd have joined the other PH circuit to make ends meet. There are not enough rank spaces, theres not enough work. I know several taxi drivers that would like to give up and go back to PH but they can't cos they've got a WAV to pay for, the same WAV they'd bin if they could. The WAV that costs more to maintain than a saloon vehicle, drinks more juice and doesn't actually get them that much work unless they are attached to the PH company. So now they're paying for HP on the WAV and settle for the radio from the PH company. If they had rented they could have just give it back, no great shakes if you know what I mean.

There is also the other aspect of de-restriction and that is the age limit on first plate. With it being under 3 years of age the cheapest vehicle available is approx. £20,000.00+. Bare in mind that the average E7 doesn't last 5 minutes before it needs attention and that is at the cheaper end of the scale for purchasing new or nearly new WAV's.

So anyway imo going from the first to the second scenario does not result in less taxis it just results in poorer taxi drivers working longer hours.

Personally I think it would have made more sense to manage the growth of the taxi industry. If they had actually issued say 10 plates that would be more than there are currently which only work the road or are on taxi circuits. The other 143 are glorified PH that pick up from the streets if they get the chance.


Market forces.

YOU would discriminate against me. deny me the oipportunity of unfettered access to the tools of my trade because you feckwits couldn't get a simple business decision right.

The advantage of a free market is that it weeds out incompetent pseudo businessmen.

Brilliant I say. I have NO sympathy.

But because they couldn't get ir right on their best day shouldn't deny me.

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Do you think the number of taxis would triple in Edinburgh on derestriction?

Not on your nelly.


I bet they thought that in Cardiff :roll:

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Market forces.

YOU would discriminate against me. deny me the oipportunity of unfettered access to the tools of my trade because you feckwits couldn't get a simple business decision right.

The advantage of a free market is that it weeds out incompetent pseudo businessmen.

Brilliant I say. I have NO sympathy.

But because they couldn't get ir right on their best day shouldn't deny me.

:roll:


I take it you never read one of the judgements on here regarding the HRA either? I must admit I'm quite surprised.

I understand there are two separate license in gillyjockoland.....a drivers license and some type of proprietors license.

Can you explain to us how you are denied unfettered access to a license you are not actually licensed for and how the HRA will actually be of any use whatsoever, preferably in words of few syllables, because a few of us arent as intelligent as you.

It's nice to see you have little, sorry I'll rephrase that into your terms, NO sympathy for people who may put themselves financially at risk, as and when the thing turns to ratsh*t.

Can you explain 'because they couldnt get it right' to me as well please, because surely driving a Hackney Carriage is dependant upon trade?

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Market forces.


Explain to me you're understanding of market forces please

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YOU would discriminate against me. deny me the oipportunity of unfettered access to the tools of my trade because you feckwits couldn't get a simple business decision right


I wouldn't deny you the tools to your trade. Tbh I'd quite gladly shove the tools of your trade up your ass!! Tell me do you think me a feckwit cos I don't share the same opinion as you? I do believe I got my simple business decision right when I opted for PH instead of HC. I hold both licences and have access to either vehicle.

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The advantage of a free market is that it weeds out incompetent pseudo businessmen


Does it really? Have you bothered to look at the disadvantages of the free market or doesn't that concern you?

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jasbar wrote:
YOU would discriminate against me. deny me the oipportunity of unfettered access to the tools of my trade because you feckwits couldn't get a simple business decision right


toots wrote:
I wouldn't deny you the tools to your trade. Tbh I'd quite gladly shove the tools of your trade up your ass!!


...form an orderly queue... :lol: :shock: Actually, that queue might be busier than the ranks themselves and could require taxi-marshals. :wink:

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Tell me do you think me a feckwit cos I don't share the same opinion as you?


Well toots...I'd say that you may well have answered your own question. :D


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Jasbar wrote:
Same drivers, working the same shifts, just in their own taxis.



8)

2 drivers in 1 taxi = 2 shifts.

2 drivers in 2 taxis = 2 shifts.

BTW The clue for the hard of thinking is that both options esult in 2 shifts.

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You forgot some people.

How about people who are new to the trade or move from phc, in the unlikely event of Edinburgh removing the cap.

You should be saying -

Before derestriction 1 or 2 drivers in 1 taxi = 1 shift.

After derestriction 4 or 5 drivers in 3 taxis = lots of shifts.

There is NO REASON to believe that no-one new will fancy getting their own plate.
Never mind totally new drivers, there are plenty who already have a brief but dont use it at the moment.


pervy jim,

Your "same amount of shifts" nonsense would only be realistic if
A) No new drivers are allowed into the trade.
B) All brief holders who do not currently work as a drivers have their brief revoked.

It does not work, and you now it.
But then you do not have anything more sensible to say.


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Not forgetting all those PH drivers you all seem to look down upon which may also want cranky's unferreted :wink: access.

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We were de-restricted in 2002. I will get back to you when I find out how much plates were changing hands for here prior to that.


So you don't know then?

So how can you be so sure about comparing your area to the scenario suggested by Captain Cab. Remember, his pre-restriction scenario had a cab and plate at £5k:

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Is a cab driver better off paying £5K for a cab and plate, or £20K for a cab with free plate because the LA brought in WAV only policies and age limit on first license?

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The point you seem to be missing is that in most areas where the cap has been removed, The council will take that opperunity to bring in WAV rules or age restrictions for new licences. So pushing up the cost.

The amounts dont matter , as this will vary between areas.


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So you don't know then?

So how can you be so sure about comparing your area to the scenario suggested by Captain Cab. Remember, his pre-restriction scenario had a cab and plate at £5k:


I didn't compare my area to the scenario suggested by CC. I clearly explained what had happened in my area since de-restriction. I then gave my opinion regarding the scenario.

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I didn't compare my area to the scenario suggested by CC. I clearly explained what had happened in my area since de-restriction. I then gave my opinion regarding the scenario.


But at 1.24 am on Tuesday you selectively quoted from my response to CC's scenario.

And when you provided the detail of your scenario you said:

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So anyway imo going from the first to the second scenario does not result in less taxis it just results in poorer taxi drivers working longer hours.


That was CC's first scenario of £5k for a cab and plate then moving to £20k for a WAV and free plate.

You can't compare £5k for a cab and plate to the Wirral scenario, because that must have been more like £25-30k for a cab and plate.

Under CC's scenario it cost more to enter the trade after derestriction; in the Wirral it cost less.

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captain cab wrote:
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Do you think the number of taxis would triple in Edinburgh on derestriction?

Not on your nelly.


I bet they thought that in Cardiff :roll:

CC


At a rough guess I would say the current number of taxis in Cardiff is similar to Edinburgh, adjusted for population.

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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Caledonian Cabbie wrote:

Do you think the number of taxis would triple in Edinburgh on derestriction?

Not on your nelly.


I bet they thought that in Cardiff :roll:

CC


At a rough guess I would say the current number of taxis in Cardiff is similar to Edinburgh, adjusted for population.


At least give us some figures then,

Number of taxis.
Number of phc.
Population difference.


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