Taxi Driver Online

Like I said I didn't compare my area to the scenario given by CC. I wrote what had happened in my area since de-restriction and I only ever gave my opinion to the scenario given by CC. It was never £25 - £30k for a cab and plate here, it was as I posted later £16,000 pre de-restriction

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

Talk about splitting hairs




Aye, but wasn't £16k the plate only? My figures were a guesstimate including the cab. You're comparing apples and pears.

I thought that pre de-restriction it was TXs/Fairways only in Wirral, thus perhaps typically at least £25k for a cab and plate?

Anway, whatever the precise figures, it was a lot more than the £5k for a cab and plate suggested by Captain Cab is his hypothetical LA.

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Caledonian Cabbie

Well I would say the population of Cardiff is roughly three quarters that of Edinburgh. There are c. 1,300 taxis in Edinburgh, which would make 975 taxis in Cardiff on an equivalent population, which I think is above the current number.

No doubt someone can supply precise numbers to prove me wrong, but they're in the right ballpark.

As for PH, what relevance have they?

After all, when the 'experts' are producing their reports and comparing taxis to population they ignore PH, and they must be right, musn't they?

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Caledonian Cabbie

Of course you have to include phc.

But if you are doing taxis only.


No-one would say there is a shortage of taxis in Cardiff now.

So therefore there is no shortage in Edinburgh, at least by those figures.

And.

I assume Edinburgh has much more phc than Cardiff.

If so, That further shows that there is no shortage in Edinburgh.

Try telling that to the consultants

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Caledonian Cabbie

My point is that Cardiff is claiming a huge oversupply, but there's less taxis per head than in restricted Edinburgh.

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Caledonian Cabbie

I wouldn't have to split hairs if I didn't think you were trying to twist what I've said into a different contex than that which I meant



No, apparently not.

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

Exactly, There is oversupply in Edinburgh too.

And dont mention the last survey, because as it took in figures from The Waverley which is has a limited supply due to charges and not the amount of taxis citywide. In my book it was wrong.

If the survey shows a demand for another 30 cars solely because of the Waverley figures, then in theory, you could put on an extra million cabs and unless they pay to use the Waverley it would make no difference to the next survey.

So presumably plates are worthless now with this huge oversupply in Edinburgh, Frank?

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Caledonian Cabbie

They are overpriced

There is over supply but not huge.

As you should realise, there are different demands in different areas; 1 taxi per thousand of population in one area may be adequate but another may require double that. There is no hard and fast rule. Perhaps that's why the BPG, that you keep quoting, says that local councils are best placed to judge demand?

Have you looked at what evidence is used in a survey to judge demand? The reality is that it is only a survey of rank and hail work - telephoned work of any kind is irrelevant, although it may be looked at.

There may be a case for surveys to look at the overall picture, given that the modern use of mobile phones and the like have changed the way people get taxis.

Peter Trainer is sitting with 31 for sale with nobody biting at the asking price (which is well below that often quoted here).

Anyone desperate to sell will have to consider dropping their price even further again. Perhaps the recession and doubts about the value of any such investment means reality kicks in and folk realise that it is not the licence to print money that many seem to think.

I think that some people are failing to realise that the price for a plate HAS dropped.

I sold mine recently for £45k including a 56 plate E7.

But I know several guys who are TRYING to sell for about 42k for the plate with the motor on top, but no-one is buying at that price.