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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:06 am 
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One example of many - Toots wrote:
Why do you say that? Are you suggesting that these surveys are influenced by personal prejudice? If so do you have evidence that they are? What you're suggesting is that the survey companies are using personal belief to form their opinions and not stats or evidence. Do you have any proof of that?


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Hmmm official information? How about the reasons numerous councils have re-regulated numbers? If the policy was actually successful then surely re-regulation wouldnt have been considered?


Why all the question marks, peeps?

I thought asking questions wasn't legitimate debating?

Or is it another case of 'do as Toots and Captain Cab say, not as Toots and Captain Cab do'?

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It seems like a statement but then ends with a ?. Are you not sure of the statement you where going to make? It would seem with a comment like this that you are quite ignorant of the workings of taxi drivers in de-restricted areas.



So it's OK for everyone else - including yourself - to ask questions, but not me. Another example of do as Toots says, not as Toots does.


Well I was trying to ascertain if it was a statement as it appears or a question because of the ?. Wtf if you answer it with another question. God forbid you did as I did cos that would involve you actually answering something

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As CC said earlier you ask a lot of questions. You appear to have no concept of the idea of debate. Being informed on the issues requires that we become acquainted with alternative points of view, which is something you have no desire to do. You only desire to find out what other people think so you can slate their opinion. That is not debate. It would add to the debate if you actually joined in and gave an honest and open contribution



Well if I'm guilty of anything then you're even worse. And look at the debating 'technique" of your sidekick Captain FFS, FFS.

No, you're just not used to proper debate and scrutiny. You can flutter your avatar and flirt with others on here and they'll just do what they're told, but it doesn't work with everyone


Why am I even worse than you? What the hell has CC got to do with my opinion? I am use to proper debate this just isn't one. Hats off to you if you can flutter an avatar :lol: I don't think it's flirting it's called having a laugh :roll: You give me way too much credit for getting people to do anything :lol: :lol:

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By the way Toots, you should take heed of the words in your own signature:

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I say it as it is....... you want sugar coated buy a donut.



Wise words indeed, but if others are doing likewise you shouldn't accuse them of playing dirty.


I change my signature all the time. It usually has quotes in it that I find amusing. Not to be taken as sworn avidavits. I don't recall saying that somebody was playing dirty, but, that's not to say I didn't I may have I'm just forgetful sometimes :wink: I think however you will find that with regards to de-restriction I have indeed said it as it is and it has not been sugar coated

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One example of many - Toots wrote:
Why do you say that? Are you suggesting that these surveys are influenced by personal prejudice? If so do you have evidence that they are? What you're suggesting is that the survey companies are using personal belief to form their opinions and not stats or evidence. Do you have any proof of that?


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Hmmm official information? How about the reasons numerous councils have re-regulated numbers? If the policy was actually successful then surely re-regulation wouldnt have been considered?


Why all the question marks, peeps?

I thought asking questions wasn't legitimate debating?

Or is it another case of 'do as Toots and Captain Cab say, not as Toots and Captain Cab do'?

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Is that the best you can do to justify the fact that you never answer any questions. Come to think of it neither does Jasbar. It must be the Scots way

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Again, its like banging your head against a brick wall with you.


You mean like this ](*,)

(Note, that in the interests of diplomacy, I ommitted the question mark from the above sentence.)

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The PH trade in many areas complain about the overabundance of PH cars on radio circuits, greedy Operators taking on more and more vehicles.

It has already bee explained to you on numerous occasions that many derestriction has meant the taxi driver has had to work excessive hours, for no increased remuneration. Cardiff is one obvious example, where the trade is in such a poor state the Police backed re-restriction, this was also the case in Liverpool many moons ago.


But the point was about shortages at particular times, now you've went off on another tangent altogether.

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As for London, deregulated London. You try getting a cab there on a Sunday night.


Deregulated? London? :lol:

I thought they were the most heavily regulated in the world.

So are you now saying London cabbies are so hard up they don't have to work on Sundays #-o or they are so well off they don't have to work on Sundays?

I suspect it's the latter, but if you're relating that back to the poverty of other sections of the trade that you outline earlier then this begs the question, why aren't they out on Sunday making a mint?


You show little knowledge of the taxi trade and deregulation.

Allow me to eductate you. Amongst the reasons some local authorities have delimited is on the advice of the Police......more cabs needed to clear up at the peaktime periods.

Its strange therefore that the police in Cardiff were actually more concerned about the physical situation which deregulation creates.....I.E. taxis fouling cab ranks etc.....than they were of the streets being cleared.

You cant see that obvious point because yor obviously retarded.

The oversupply at certain times and undersupply at other times has already been answered. Again, it is pointless debating anything with you, because you choose to ignore what you dont want to read, which leaves myself constantly regoing over points that have already been made.

Londons taxi trade is deregulated, you get a badge and you can have as many plates as you wish, although I'm sure GBC will tell you what the exact situation is, because you seem to think its regulated.

I merely pointed out that at times, deregulated London has few taxis available.

I dont know why drivers dont work Sundays, perhaps they dont because the want one day off per week, perhaps they see it as a day of rest?

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Londons taxi trade is deregulated, you get a badge and you can have as many plates as you wish, although I'm sure GBC will tell you what the exact situation is, because you seem to think its regulated.


Gaining a badge in London is hardly the same as filling in a form and paying the fee, as it is in many places. London puts the value in the driver, not the plate.
The trade is regulated, just not by taxi numbers.

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Londons taxi trade is deregulated, you get a badge and you can have as many plates as you wish, although I'm sure GBC will tell you what the exact situation is, because you seem to think its regulated.


Gaining a badge in London is hardly the same as filling in a form and paying the fee, as it is in many places. London puts the value in the driver, not the plate.
The trade is regulated, just not by taxi numbers.


Are you suggesting outside of London it is merely a matter of paying a fee and collection a license?

If you are, I'm afraid you are misinformed.

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Londons taxi trade is deregulated, you get a badge and you can have as many plates as you wish, although I'm sure GBC will tell you what the exact situation is, because you seem to think its regulated.


Gaining a badge in London is hardly the same as filling in a form and paying the fee, as it is in many places. London puts the value in the driver, not the plate.
The trade is regulated, just not by taxi numbers.


Are you suggesting outside of London it is merely a matter of paying a fee and collection a license?

If you are, I'm afraid you are misinformed.

CC


Are you suggesting it takes an average of 3 years study outside London to get a badge?
How many authorities issue badges to people with limited or no english, no checkable backgrounds and no idea where they are going?

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Are you suggesting it takes an average of 3 years study outside London to get a badge?
How many authorities issue badges to people with limited or no english, no checkable backgrounds and no idea where they are going?


I was under the impression it took 2 years in London, but I'll concede to your greater knowledge :roll:

You stated (and I'll remind you);

the same as filling in a form and paying the fee, as it is in many places

Are you ignoring the CRB check which almost all areas have?......maybe the NVQ or BTEC which is increasingly common, local topographical knowledge tests, basic english tests, medicals, DSA driving tests?

Or am I being a tad pernickety here?

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captain cab wrote:
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Are you suggesting it takes an average of 3 years study outside London to get a badge?
How many authorities issue badges to people with limited or no english, no checkable backgrounds and no idea where they are going?


I was under the impression it took 2 years in London, but I'll concede to your greater knowledge :roll:

You stated (and I'll remind you);

the same as filling in a form and paying the fee, as it is in many places

Are you ignoring the CRB check which almost all areas have?......maybe the NVQ or BTEC which is increasingly common, local topographical knowledge tests, basic english tests, medicals, DSA driving tests?

Or am I being a tad pernickety here?

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You are.
Yes some of these things exist in most areas and all of them in a very few. It's hardly the "knowledge of London" though, is it?

To say the London trade is not regulated is misleading at best and dishonest at worst.
London doesn't need a limit on cab numbers because they are already limited by the amount of licensed drivers available.
Any comparison with your's or toots' area is like comparing apples with carrots.

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You are.
Yes some of these things exist in most areas and all of them in a very few. It's hardly the "knowledge of London" though, is it?

To say the London trade is not regulated is misleading at best and dishonest at worst.
London doesn't need a limit on cab numbers because they are already limited by the amount of licensed drivers available.
Any comparison with your's or toots' area is like comparing apples with carrots.


I think your actually being quite simplistic about all of this.

some of these things exist in most areas and all of them in a very few Which is quite disengenuous really.

Plates in London are not regulated, thats a quite simple point, unless you are saying they are regulated, which wouldnt be accurate. There cannot be any dishonesty in saying London taxi plates are not regulated, because they arent.

The London trade has asked in the past for numbers regulation, I'm certain GBC can confirm this, even if he cant confirm it today, I'm sure he'll ask our mutual freind in the LTDA to confirm this.

Indeed, from memory, the only reason London currently has a night-time rate of fare is due to undersupply of taxis at night.

I know a couple of these points stray from the actual issue, but I feel they are part of the wider picture.

I could go a little further and mention age limits on vehicles on first and subsequent licensing, designed in my view to limit the affects of deregulation in many areas, but based, quite deceitfully, on something called 'quality control', which is amusing to say the least.

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You cant see that obvious point because you're obviously retarded.


Whatever.

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I think your actually being quite simplistic about all of this.

some of these things exist in most areas and all of them in a very few Which is quite disengenuous really.


So am I being simplistic or disengenuous?
Driver badge standards do vary wildly across the country as you well know.

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Plates in London are not regulated, thats a quite simple point, unless you are saying they are regulated, which wouldnt be accurate. There cannot be any dishonesty in saying London taxi plates are not regulated, because they arent.


There can be dishonesty in saying the London trade is not regulated, which is what you said.

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The London trade has asked in the past for numbers regulation, I'm certain GBC can confirm this, even if he cant confirm it today, I'm sure he'll ask our mutual freind in the LTDA to confirm this.

I don't doubt it. What trade wouldn't want to limit it's competition?
I'm sure most butchers would tell you there are too many butchers and far too many Tescos.
What they may have asked for is irrelevant.
The point is about what is, not what was asked for in the past.

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Indeed, from memory, the only reason London currently has a night-time rate of fare is due to undersupply of taxis at night.

The same undersupply would indicate demand, wouldn't it?

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I know a couple of these points stray from the actual issue, but I feel they are part of the wider picture.

Wider picture or a distraction from your earlier statement?

London taxi numbers are limited by the amount of badged drivers available to drive them.
Yes, anyone can have as many taxis as they want but what's the point if they don't have drivers to drive them?

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I think your actually being quite simplistic about all of this.

some of these things exist in most areas and all of them in a very few Which is quite disengenuous really.


So am I being simplistic or disengenuous?
Driver badge standards do vary wildly across the country as you well know.

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Plates in London are not regulated, thats a quite simple point, unless you are saying they are regulated, which wouldnt be accurate. There cannot be any dishonesty in saying London taxi plates are not regulated, because they arent.


There can be dishonesty in saying the London trade is not regulated, which is what you said.

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The London trade has asked in the past for numbers regulation, I'm certain GBC can confirm this, even if he cant confirm it today, I'm sure he'll ask our mutual freind in the LTDA to confirm this.

I don't doubt it. What trade wouldn't want to limit it's competition?
I'm sure most butchers would tell you there are too many butchers and far too many Tescos.
What they may have asked for is irrelevant.
The point is about what is, not what was asked for in the past.

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Indeed, from memory, the only reason London currently has a night-time rate of fare is due to undersupply of taxis at night.

The same undersupply would indicate demand, wouldn't it?

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I know a couple of these points stray from the actual issue, but I feel they are part of the wider picture.

Wider picture or a distraction from your earlier statement?

London taxi numbers are limited by the amount of badged drivers available to drive them.
Yes, anyone can have as many taxis as they want but what's the point if they don't have drivers to drive them?


There seems little point in going any further on this as I totally disagree with you.

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There seems little point in going any further on this as I totally disagree with you.

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Well there's a shock. :shock:

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