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Toots, you haven't a clue have you?


Well considering you say I don't have a clue it seems I managed ok working out why they binned the case.

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He would have allowed us as long as it took to get that representation.


He'd have given reasonable time to get that representation he wouldn't have given you an infinate amount of time to get that representation

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CRT were not prepared to shell out for a defence which had nothing to do with the company.


That kind of proves the point that they were right to come to their senses prior to it costing them a whole lot more, don't you think

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Too right. We wanted the case to run forever. We knew the MacDonald case cost £11 million. We had the chance to put CRT out of business. And it would have if they hadn't puylled the case.


You're quite a vindictive little man aren't you, well thank goodness somebody at that company had the foresight to see what you were trying to do and stopped you from doing it before you did indeed acheive your aims

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So, if there was a choice, it was to acknowledge defeat and stay in business, or fail to acknowledge defeat and lose the company.


That's the sign of true strength. The ability to walk away and cut your losses

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I'd be interested to know whether CRT binned its lawyers for poor advice, or whether the lawyers binned CRT for being a bad client?

Ask your source toots and let us all know.


You mean you don't know :shock: :lol: Use your own sources Image

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Well at least we agree on something. You describe yourselves as 2 scroates. Yep I definatly agree with that.


PMSL... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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You're obviously worried about Toots, and her opposition to, now let me think, just about everything male


Does that mean the coffee date is off :wink:

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Oh my what a cruel and insensitive man you are. Very much like the cruel and insensitive man that thought it was a good idea to beat what confidence I had out of me. You shouldn't make personal and flippant comments about people you don't know.


It wasn't a flippant comment, Toots. I think you like playing the victim. Give a woman, a crutch and she'll walk with a limp. That “cruel and insensitive man” your abuser, you know, the father of your children. “That thought it was a good idea to beat what confidence” you had out of you. Poor little Toots, springs to mind. You don't seem to have a problem with restriction and the inequality that creates, or wee lassies being raped because they can't hail a cab. The abused becomes the abuser ever so conveniently in your world Toots. You see that's the difference between me and your ex abuser, Toots. I think you would use any tactic to elevate your perceived status. Your “cruel and insensitive man” has taught you well.

Personally, I think everything you write on this forum is a therapy session. :-|

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For what it's worth Toots, we were in court for almost 5 days, and never lodged defences, but we did challenge the Interim Interdict.



Article 6

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We made the case that until Legal Counsel is made available our right to a Fair Trial was being denied. Lord Emslie accepted our argument that the Legal System operates as a commercial entity and as such, we needed funding from the Legal Aid Board to have equality of arms in fighting the case through the courts..

Oh and as for the case being abandoned. On our last day in court QC, Kinroy asked us to enter a minute of agreement not to slag off the members of the committee, and that they would accept the costs.

I told QC, Kinroy that he would abandon the case and award us costs without condition. I pointed out that as long as we were denied equality of arms we didn't' have to lodge defences, but we could challenge the Interim Interdict almost on a monthly basis.

When we entered the court room, QC, Kinroy said to the judge, that they were abandoning the case as Mr. Thomson, has made it quite clear that he intended to impoverish my client through the court system.

The case was abandoned and full costs awarded to us.

To the victor the spoils. Now Toots, if you doubt any of the above why don't we enter into a little wager to see who is really telling the truth.

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Incidentally Toots, does your “cruel and insensitive man” get to see his daughters? To be honest, I think it was probably more like your ex abuser, never lived up to your unrealistic expectations. The little Princess meets a Little Princess and rides of into the sunset didn't quite work out, and of course, these were all his faults and nothing to do with you. Never mind though, we can always re-restrict the taxi trade :roll: just for you Toots.

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The little Princess meets a Little Princess and rides of into the sunset didn't quite work out


Are you high on drugs why on earth would I want to meet a princess ffs

The rest of my reply is going to pm. If you wanna print it after that that's fine with me.

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I've changed my mind I'm not going to pm it I'm just going to post

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Toots. I think you like playing the victim


I'm not a victim, never have been and never will be. The man in question was just a bully.

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That “cruel and insensitive man” your abuser, you know, the father of your children


You're wrong it wasn't the father of my children. The father of my children was a lot of things but a wife beater he was not.

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Poor little Toots, springs to mind


That's one thing I'm not. I am more than capable of taking care of myself and your sarcastic false concern isn't needed. It was not my intention for people to feel sorry for me, but, for people to see how you speak before you think

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wee lassies being raped because they can't hail a cab


there is no evidence to suggest that wee lassies are raped anymore so in restricted areas than in de-restricted areas. In fact only last week they announced that the only crime that didn't show a significant decrease in England were sex crimes. There are loads of de-restricted councils in England

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You see that's the difference between me and your ex abuser, Toots. I think you would use any tactic to elevate your perceived status


This is a forum were people are able to express views freely and usually without insults, except in the case of the threads posted by yourself and jasbar. You just don't seem to be able to express an opinion and debate with a cool clear head. I don't have a perceived status, I don't need a perceived status and I certainly don't need to elevate myself, that is something you do.

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Personally, I think everything you write on this forum is a therapy session.


Perhaps it is for you but not for me. I don't need therapy

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It wasn't a flippant comment, Toots.


Oh I see. It was a serious comment and obviously meant to wound. Why would you do that, why would you want to do that to somebody you thought had low self esteem if it wasn't for the sole purpose to verbally bully them into submission and get them to shut up.

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For what it's worth Toots, we were in court for almost 5 days, and never lodged defences


Would that be because you didn't have a defence to lodge. Were you not quite sure of the procedure of lodging a defence?

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Article 6

Right to a Fair Trial


You're so fond of the Human Rights Act aren't you.

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We made the case that until Legal Counsel is made available our right to a Fair Trial was being denied


You mean you were waiting for legal aid

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On our last day in court QC, Kinroy asked us to enter a minute of agreement not to slag off the members of the committee, and that they would accept the costs.


We only have your word for that tho don't we :wink:

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I told QC, Kinroy that he would abandon the case and award us costs without condition. I pointed out that as long as we were denied equality of arms we didn't' have to lodge defences, but we could challenge the Interim Interdict almost on a monthly basis.


We only have your word for that as well :wink:

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When we entered the court room, QC, Kinroy said to the judge, that they were abandoning the case as Mr. Thomson, has made it quite clear that he intended to impoverish my client through the court system.


As I said before it was a sensible decision as any reasonable company would be a fool to follow in the footsteps of McDonalds. Far better to cut your losses than go for broke

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The case was abandoned and full costs awarded to us.


Does that mean you got your £45 back?

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To the victor the spoils


what spoils exactly did you get?

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Now Toots, if you doubt any of the above why don't we enter into a little wager to see who is really telling the truth


Well I would, but, I'd be a fool to do so without all the evidence now wouldn't I :roll:

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Toots 1..Skull 0


Steady on MR T. This sugests that you giving Toots one. :wink:

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I can assure you.... that Skull will never get into my bed... no matter how hard he tries.. :wink:

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Toots. I think you like playing the victim


I'm not a victim, never have been and never will be. The man in question was just a bully.

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That “cruel and insensitive man” your abuser, you know, the father of your children


You're wrong it wasn't the father of my children. The father of my children was a lot of things but a wife beater he was not.

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Poor little Toots, springs to mind


That's one thing I'm not. I am more than capable of taking care of myself and your sarcastic false concern isn't needed. It was not my intention for people to feel sorry for me, but, for people to see how you speak before you think

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wee lassies being raped because they can't hail a cab


there is no evidence to suggest that wee lassies are raped anymore so in restricted areas than in de-restricted areas. In fact only last week they announced that the only crime that didn't show a significant decrease in England were sex crimes. There are loads of de-restricted councils in England

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You see that's the difference between me and your ex abuser, Toots. I think you would use any tactic to elevate your perceived status


This is a forum were people are able to express views freely and usually without insults, except in the case of the threads posted by yourself and jasbar. You just don't seem to be able to express an opinion and debate with a cool clear head. I don't have a perceived status, I don't need a perceived status and I certainly don't need to elevate myself, that is something you do.

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Personally, I think everything you write on this forum is a therapy session.


Perhaps it is for you but not for me. I don't need therapy

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It wasn't a flippant comment, Toots.


Oh I see. It was a serious comment and obviously meant to wound. Why would you do that, why would you want to do that to somebody you thought had low self esteem if it wasn't for the sole purpose to verbally bully them into submission and get them to shut up.


Three things.

First, "Little Princess meets Little Princess". So you're not the butch lesbian that you come over as then :lol:


Second "This is a forum were people are able to express views freely and usually without insults, except in the case of the threads posted by yourself and jasbar. You just don't seem to be able to express an opinion and debate with a cool clear head."

Perhaps because we realise that the trade is structured so badly and it is so riddled with vested interests which have no regard for decency and fairness.

You see toots, the tone of our posts is because we despise you for being the stupid bewildered subservient fools that you are.

Before I came into this trade I had no contact with taxi owners, drivers, cops, lawyers, politicians or councillors. I had no opinion about any of them. Now I hold them all in poor regard as intrinsically morally bankrupt, dishonest even and certainly self serving.

All we do is express our disgust at such dishonesty.

Third, and most seriously, "wee lassies being raped because they can't hail a cab

there is no evidence to suggest that wee lassies are raped anymore so in restricted areas than in de-restricted areas. In fact only last week they announced that the only crime that didn't show a significant decrease in England were sex crimes. There are loads of de-restricted councils in England "


By your own admission crime is falling, but not in sex crimes. yet you would not take steps to minimise the risk for the public of such sex crimes because you put you own self interest first.

Toots that is simply despicable.

No council can claim to be protecting public safety unless and until it has done everything it can to protect public safety.

How can restricting taxis, creating an artificial shortage of supply, encouraging people to get into unlicensed vehicles, clearly warned by the government's BPG and ignored by the council,possibly be construed as protecting public safety?

You need to take a look at yourself. Wee lassies risk harm because you want to protect your vested intrest.

This debate on restriction or not is simply childish. Restriction is holding the trade back because of the mindset of selfishness it creates. It's long overdue for the trade to grow up, operate like every other market sector and move on.

And, if as you say there are lots of derestricted areas, around 75%, then why shouldn't Edinburgh be derestricted. Why should I have to operate at a disadvantage when compared with other areas? How is that observing my Human Rights?

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First, "Little Princess meets Little Princess". So you're not the butch lesbian that you come over as then :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: No honey, but, you're obviously not man enough to notice :lol:

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"This is a forum were people are able to express views freely and usually without insults, except in the case of the threads posted by yourself and jasbar. You just don't seem to be able to express an opinion and debate with a cool clear head."


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Perhaps because we realise that the trade is structured so badly and it is so riddled with vested interests which have no regard for decency and fairness.

You see toots, the tone of our posts is because we despise you for being the stupid bewildered subservient fools that you are.

Before I came into this trade I had no contact with taxi owners, drivers, cops, lawyers, politicians or councillors. I had no opinion about any of them. Now I hold them all in poor regard as intrinsically morally bankrupt, dishonest even and certainly self serving.

All we do is express our disgust at such dishonesty.


Perhaps the trade is structured badly but de-restriction is not going to make it any better structured, imo. All businesses have vested interests they wouldn't be there if they didn't and they certainly wouldn't succeed if they didn't protect them. You talk of fairness and decency but you don't think in a fair and decent way. Do you think it's fair that somebody should have their livelihood taken from them just because you want what they have. Do you think it is fair and decent to spend all day everyday trying to earn a living to support your family on basis that you will be earning £3.50 to £5.00 per hour all because somebody thought it was a good idea to flood the market to appease those crying about their human rights. Do you think it is fair and decent that people are driven from the trade to unemployment just to prove that market forces will weed out the little man. Do you think it is fair and decent that once you are given the one thing you grave so much (a vehicle license) you then sell it to the highest bidder. You're not fair or decent, you're just an opportunist

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Wee lassies are raped because there are rapists at large in many disguises, some even as licensed hackney drivers ffs.

By your own admission crime is falling, but not in sex crimes. yet you would not take steps to minimise the risk for the public of such sex crimes because you put you own self interest first.

Toots that is simply despicable.


That kind of shows that even with de-restriction it doesn't make an ounce of difference to sex crimes. Now if the council pay a shed load out in education for the safety of young ladies perhaps that will help, but, perhaps it won't. We won't know unless we try it. We tried de-restriction and that hasn't helped has it. We are de-retricted, we have taxis all over ranked up waiting to take wee lassies home, we have nearly 2000 licensed phvs, we have a shed load of police about, we have cheap night buses and unfortunately we still have rapes.

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You need to take a look at yourself. Wee lassies risk harm because you want to protect your vested intrest


What vested interest do you think I am protecting :?

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This debate on restriction or not is simply childish. Restriction is holding the trade back because of the mindset of selfishness it creates. It's long overdue for the trade to grow up, operate like every other market sector and move on.


You should take heed of your own words

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And, if as you say there are lots of derestricted areas, around 75%, then why shouldn't Edinburgh be derestricted. Why should I have to operate at a disadvantage when compared with other areas? How is that observing my Human Rights?


So it all boils down to you wanting what others have. There's your decency and fairness in a nutshell.

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Poor little Toots, meets the man of her dreams (hold that thought) but unfortunately, two daughters. And a number of years later with, everything starting to point south, discovers it's a mistake. Her husband fails to measure up to her unrealistic expectations and the fairy tale comes to an end.
“Time to make myself young again and to find a new man” Some day, some day my dream will come. Enter the new “cruel and insensitive man that thought it was a good idea to beat what confidence” Toots had out of her. Toots, now learns how to abuse others because of the abuse she suffered at the hands of her new bullyboy lover. Do I really believe this story, no, but it's a start? Toots the victim now becomes Toots the taxi driver and because of her low self-esteem, wants to restrict licence plates to elevate her perceived status, regardless of inequality to others and the risk to young female's safety :-|

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