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Agreed.

Owners submitted documents stating they owned property which in fact belonged to someone else. That is fraud.
Drivers furnished documents stating that someone else owned their property, knowing that these documents would be used to dishonestly license the vehicle. (Why else would they do this?)

This adds up to a conspiricy to defraud.

The LA gave tacit approval by allowing this to go on and not checking applications properly, although they will probably claim they had no knowledge of any fraud.

I think it's a case of everyone was (until recently) happy to go along with things and not rock the boat. Now someone has rocked the boat and it's sinking.
All involved knew what they were doing was illegal and therefore all are guilty, regardless of who profited by it.

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I agree with Gus.

The aggreived party maybe have a reasonable expectation now.

CC

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[quote="gusmac"][quote="JDBubbles"]Surely in circumstances like these the Licensing Department have a certain amount of blame to shoulder for allowing the situation to continue.[/quote]
Agreed.

Owners submitted documents stating they owned property which in fact belonged to someone else. That is fraud.
Drivers furnished documents stating that someone else owned their property, knowing that these documents would be used to dishonestly license the vehicle. (Why else would they do this?)

This adds up to a conspiricy to defraud.

The LA gave tacit approval by allowing this to go on and not checking applications properly, although they will probably claim they had no knowledge of any fraud.

I think it's a case of everyone was (until recently) happy to go along with things and not rock the boat. Now someone has rocked the boat and it's sinking.
All involved knew what they were doing was illegal and therefore all are guilty, regardless of who profited by it.[/quote]



Which is why I would think that the LA will look at porsecuting all parties involved by sending everything to the police to look at. Expect this one to
run and run!!

I'm not sure the criminal prosecution is the way forward, just take back the plates that have been fraudulently licensed.

More than enough penalty.

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So why don't you take the same 'like it or lump it' approach to working in derestricted areas?

How does the quote below square with your like it or lump it approach?



And if PH circuits are oversubscribed and drivers can't make a living then how can you make the kind of glib statement highlighted in the first quote above?

More 'do as Toots says, not as Toots does'?

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Caledonian Cabbie

I don't recall ever saying that drivers should 'like it or lump it'. Once again I just offered an alternative way to earn a living if somebody didn't like the rental agreements

You have a wonderful knack of slicing out the bits of quotes that suit your arguement. If you want a true reading of the relevance of the quote you have to have all the facts in front of you and not just the bit that suits you at the time. You either spend a considerable time trawling through and re-reading things people have said or you copy and paste what they say and keep them in a 'little file' to use later when you can chop out the bit to meet your needs, like the quote below



which was in reply to this little question





It wasn't a glib statement as that would imply no sincerity or thought to the situation. It is a genuine suggestion. Although not knowing the situation with regard to the work available in this area it was perhaps lacking in evidence that there is indeed work available for ph

and with regard to this little snipe



I'm more than happy for people to do as I do, which incidently is very little but I think you may find that without enough money they may well end up starving their family of essentials. So unless they have the means available that I have they should not do as I do

So off you go and cyberstalk somebody else

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

Should try practise what you preach, you obviously got too much time on yer hands !

Your point is what exactly?

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

I didn't say that you said drivers should like it or lump it. But I did think that was a fair characterisation of what did say. Indeed, last night you also said:





Thanks, but there's no need to flirt with me



Ah, I see now.

But to be honest I don't think the context changes much.

You could make a similar argument about drivers in unrestricted areas leaving the trade if they're unhappy and then add a bit of context, but you don't so however you like to qualify your 'like it or lump it' stance it's still fundamentally at odds with your approach to drivers in unrestricted areas.



Yes, it took hours of research to conclude that you complain about over subscription on circuits and are critical of taxi derestriction

It's quite simple Toots, I've read enough on here to know where the main protagonists stand on the main issues, some I remember, some I don't.

And then a quick look using the search facility can throw up a juicy quote, or perhaps it won't. This time I got lucky.

Don't flatter yourself that I spend hours wading through your past efforts

But your comments do demonstrate that you wish to detract attention from the real issues, as mentioned further at the end.




But you don't know the situation in unrestricted areas yet you seem to think you offer the definitive answer on them.



You mean like cherry picking your hours? Weren't you denigrating HC drivers in unrestricted areas for doing that?



Come on Toots, if you come up with stuff like that it just demonstrates you're trying to detract attention from the essential debate and denigrate your opponent at the same time.

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It would be cos I don't have a like it lump it stance. I do however have a stance of if you don't like a situation, change it if you can't change it leave it, if you can't do that than crack on as best you can and moan a little, that always makes you feel better



I don't deny that. PH circuits can be over subscribed and derestriction of taxis is not a good way to go. As I've said before there needs to be a compromise, but, as yet there doesn't seem to be anything other than managed growth



Don't I?



Do I? The only thing I think I offer is an opinion



Nah not cherry picking hours I was referring to cherry picking work.



and your contribution was to have yet another pop at my opinion. You need to understand it is only an OPINION. I don't care if you like or not like it, it is of no consquence to me whatsoever, but, stop twisting my opinion.

In fact you don't seem to express your opinion at all in this post about the relevant question, which was



My opinion of this point was quite simple. It was basically saying that it was six of one and half a dozen of the other and in my opinion neither were fit and proper cos they both lied in one way or the other. What's your opinion or is this yet another post you intend to have no conclusive opinion about. I'm not going to apologise for having an opinion, nor do I wish to have to justify my opinion to you all the time.

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Well it seems that both yourself and others on here don't even want to debate, so I'll only respond to one point.

It's funny that I've raised this cherry picking point several times, but it's only now that you claim it refers to work rather than hours.

Either you have a very short memory or you think sufficient time has elapsed such that you can forget your original point because it suits you as a cherry picker yourself. What you said was:



Which quite clearly refers to working hours rather than jobs.

I can just about understand Captain Cab forgetting what he wrote a few years ago, but that was just a few weeks

Of course, that's me searching, twisting, distorting, etc.

Truth hurts??

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Caledonian Cabbie

No the truth doesn't hurt why would it. I said it and I meant it. As a general rule of thumb here when people talk of cherry picking its relating to jobs not hours. My memory isn't great, but, I don't care if I make a mistake it's no great shakes



It seems as ever we are still awaiting a relevant opinion of this post from you, that is of course if you have one

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Think you two need to calm down and stop avin domestics online ! And while on the point, I think we all cherry pick hours, we all want to work when its busy, or when we think its going to be busy, and be home when its quiet, nowt wrong with that, is there ? As a hackney you can do that, but as a ph, in York anyway, you have to fulfil a shift, wether it be mornings, afternoons or nights. Once you done yer shift, most companies have 'free air' so you can work as much or as little as you want. Obviously those that choose to work 'free air' will do so when they think its going to be busy ! Stands to reason !
Personally, I left ph to get away from being tied to shifts !

Caledonian Cabbie and his motley crew havent been the same since little Miss Toots wiped the floor with them a few weeks back.

CC

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Aye, we all knew your memory span wasn't great

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