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You have no representation if you have no powers of negotiation.

What you have is a little chitchat, with so called representatives, sitting with councillors drinking cups of tea passing around the gypsy creams. Their job is then to subjugate their membership by passing down scraps from the masters' table, while protecting their own interest. Your “representation” actually becomes part of the problem.

A negotiation comes about when both sides can do serious and irreparable damage to each other.

You negotiate a settlement because of the costs involved and the uncertainty of the outcome. In today's world, it's about legal costs and political survival.

Unless you have a War chest bursting with cash and legal representation to match, you are stuffed.


If the NTA, BMG, T&G or the RMT fail to provide full legal representation for their members, there doesn't seem, much point to being a member.

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

So what organisation should I join to have full legal representation in a court of law?

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

I would guess the answer to that is none. No union or association could guarantee to give you representation in court on the grounds that you may be guilty of the offense that you are in court for. They may offer legal advice and then if you have a strong enough case you may get some legal representation. But if you are unlikly to win, why should members fees be thrown away.

Anyway, I can't see any association or union wanting you to join them.

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Grandad,

Having read the minutes for the meeting on Tuesday 24th March 2009 I find it strange that at that time they appear to have the opinion that the local authority had no power to take action against any Hackney Carriage Driver that waits on the road, as quoted below, but now believe the opposite or have I totally misunderstood what Mr Neale was saying

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

No one is suggesting that anyone should pursue a fruitless task, but this is not the case here.

Oh and Grandad, you can keep your associations and your unions, if they are all as gutless as you there doesn't seem, much point to being a member.

The NTA and the likes are just sewers full of rats. Fight for their members, that's a good laugh.

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

That's what I've been saying to the Council Toots but they keep moving the posts.

Why should any of these organisations bother.

They have never existed to make a difference.

And why should they want to build a membership. The Barons would only see their power base diluted. And why would they want to antagoinise councils which support heir illusion? That would be a conflict of their interests.

The CCs and Mr Ts of this world couldn't be bothered fighting for justice, even if they could recognise what it was.

Why challenge in Ashfield? Now councillors know what they can get away with, this will be repeated all over the country.

Because no one is gonna say NO!!!!

If those minutes have been accepted as a true record at the following meeting, without amendment, then that is a powerful start to an appeal or prosecution for wrongful use of Section 52 and subsequent claim for damages & loss of earnings.

But let us all remember this;

We can spout off all we like on this Forum & enter into whatever discussions about the subject, BUT unless the 21 drivers or any part of the 21 drivers start proceedings, or instruct someone to start proceedings on their behalf, NOTHING can be done about the matter, because only the 21 drivers or any part of the 21 drivers are the aggrieved party.

And only the aggrieved party can take legal action no matter what the likes of you & I might say or write.

The sad fact seems to be that the aggrieved drivers in this case do not appear to be as aggrieved as many of the contributors on this Forum to this subject matter.

After many years of representaion in the taxi trade, I have seen it so many, many times before & I'll see it many, many time again in the future. So many times in the past successful representaion on behalf of drivers has resulted in total indifference & on rare occasions sheer indignance.

In this case it seems that some of the drivers are earning more delivering pizzas, don't need to be licensed to do so, nor do they need a CRB check, medical, knowledge test etc., etc., & certainly cannot be stopped from doing their jobs as pizza delivery boys by the Auschwitzien use of Section 52 when they invariably park their unlicensed delivery vehicles on double yellow lines!!!

That's why I now only help those that wish to help themselves . . . . comrade!!!

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Cannot find the figures but I think it was around £6.00 and hour plus £1.50 a pizza delivery, he could be delivering 5 to 10 an hour, I wonder how many left on the rank are earning that amount???
Plus if he has been driving cabs long enough he will know where to deliver them
Plug a hot box in the boot and punter will always get them hot

whilst plated/badged a long time ago the local curry houses used to send food out by taxi, it was better than carrying passengers and you could rob a chip out the bag

Quite, I suppose it takes one?

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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I think you might bankrupt a few.

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IDFIMH

What makes the actions of this council/licensing team/councillors so odious is that they have suspended on safety grounds under (2A) and (2B) of the act i.e. no stay on appeal.

Whereas if they had suspended under (2)a and (2)b an immediate right of appeal would be allowed.

This tells me that the odious lot are sh** scared of facing a court trying to justify putting people out of work for parking on yellow lines.

They should all be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, and I intend, with others, to make sure no-one ever forgets the names involved.

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IDFIMH

Might be worth asking the odious bunch when councillors last reviewed their use of RIPA powers.

According to LACORS they should be doing it every 12 months, including quarterly updates.

http://www.lacors.gov.uk/lacors/NewsArt ... x?id=23113

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IDFIMH

As I mentioned to someone today.

If the offence was as serious as the LA state......why did they give a verbal warning then a written warning to the drivers concerned?

Surely if the offence warrented a section 52 there should have been no warnings at all.

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin