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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:32 pm 
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WirralPH wrote:
I know there has been dicussion about 'private hire ranks', this may be a bit different though...

In our area you'll often see the private hire cars parked up on the council's town centre pay and display car parks at night (obviously not paying to park though). There are no wardens at this time, and never a problem.

Myself and a couple of other drivers have been doing this during the day also, with no problem - until recently asked by a warden to move unless we're paying.

A call to the town hall confirmed that we were not entitled to use the car park even for short periods of time without paying.

Do you guys think it would be worth putting a letter in to the council to ask if they may consider allowing us to park in the car parks during the day for free?

Perhaps we could state that if there were people waiting for the spaces (which there never are) then we would move on. We could state that we are happy to abide by the other rules i.e only parking within the bays etc.

The thing is, we've done it for a while just with the wardens turning a blind eye. Also, parking in the streets is at a premium - surely this is safer for everyone if there aren't PH cars on every corner. The council are keeping on plating more cars, they should come to a compromise. Doubt they will, but they should.

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No chance you are taking up valuable car parking space which could be used by shoppers AND depriving the council of revenue which might be generated by the car park I would not be at all surprised if you don't get a ticket in the post !


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:20 pm 
When you have done your booking return to your base it's simple. 8)


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Nigel wrote:
When you have done your booking return to your base it's simple. 8)


Or pay to park in the car park like everyone else.

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Nigel wrote:
When you have done your booking return to your base it's simple. 8)


Of course it's simple if it's a small operation, but, I don't think it is practical with a company that has 300+ vehicles, do you?

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Nigel wrote:
When you have done your booking return to your base it's simple. 8)


Of course it's simple if it's a small operation, but, I don't think it is practical with a company that has 300+ vehicles, do you?


Hell no, I was being sarcastic. 8)


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Nigel wrote:
When you have done your booking return to your base it's simple. 8)


Of course it's simple if it's a small operation, but, I don't think it is practical with a company that has 300+ vehicles, do you?


Hell no, I was being sarcastic. 8)


wouldnt have guessed... :wink:

(now is that sarcasm or irony, i can never remember)


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Jay w wrote:
A small group of us have written to the council asking for some sort of parking area, over the phone public protection dept agreed that in principle it is a good idea, but it is not up to them to implement

Public Protection have put this up to assist Jay w - I must say it does not make it clear enough that whilst Hackneys can Pick up or set down on bus stops, Private Hire may not. This is of course fully inline with the legislation.

http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/notice_07-10 ... ehicle.pdf

Bottom line is, if you try it you could get a ticket.

I do a lot of wheelchair work - I now encourage all my disabled customers to board and alight at bus stops - the raised "Bus Boarders" make my life easier and it's more comfortable for them. If when I get there a bus is on the stop, I patiently wait behind. If whilst loading, a bus wants to use the stop, the driver has to wait for me to load and secure my passenger. If the Bus driver is impatient, it can take me a little longer to organize and fit the restraining straps.

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Jay W, if you also read this...

http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/notice_06_10 ... ctions.pdf

It may make the whole situation clearer for you.

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Nigel wrote:
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Nigel wrote:
When you have done your booking return to your base it's simple. 8)


Of course it's simple if it's a small operation, but, I don't think it is practical with a company that has 300+ vehicles, do you?


Hell no, I was being sarcastic. 8)


You don't say :lol:

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Taxi driver takes on Plymouth City Council over drop-off ban crackdown

FIGHT: Taxi driver Andrew Ash has written to MPs, council members and the media
A TAXI driver has launched a campaign against a crackdown on drivers stopping in Plymouth city centre.

Plymouth City Council's new camera car is imposing £35 fines on private hire drivers who drop off or collect passengers outside some parts of the city centre and Mutley.

Driver Andrew Ash said: "This could mean a young girl leaving a club late at night and worse for wear and having to go to an isolated street.

"Or an elderly person leaving the Theatre Royal on a dark winter's evening might have to make their way to the rear of the building to wait for their taxi because we can't stop on Royal Parade."

Mr Ash said many disabled people used taxis to go to the post office in the city centre.

"We now have to drop them 150 metres away in Whimple Street and they have to cross Royal Parade.

"In bad weather this will be hazardous enough, not to mention the fact they will get soaked on the way.

"Many of my customers have said they will stop going to the city centre altogether and this will affect many businesses."

Council traffic boss Clive Perkin defended the crackdown in Old Town Street/New George Street, St Andrew's Cross roundabout, Royal Parade, Derry's Cross and Charles Street outside the northern entrance to Drake Circus.

"These all lie on a signed bus clearway and we cannot allow picking up and dropping off in these locations," he said.

"The situation has got out of hand. If a bus has to stop on the main carriageway because a taxi is in the bus lane it's very dangerous for passengers and makes congestion worse.

"We are not focusing on side streets where there may be loading areas. We are only focusing on the key streets.

"It isn't a free-for-all. Taxi drivers have to abide by the laws of the road."

Mr Perkin said the council had not changed the rules but was only enforcing existing laws.

"We are just trying to keep traffic flowing safely."

He said there was a mistaken belief that disabled drivers were allowed to park in Royal Parade.

The council was talking to private hire owners to try to resolve their difficulties, he said. "We are trying to be balanced and reasonable."

Fines are now issued automatically where parking rules are clearly broken.

"The new camera car is being used to tackle illegal parking in school 'Keep Clear' zones, pedestrian crossing zigzags, and to assist in reducing congestion through the enforcement of bus lanes and helping to keep bus stops clear," a council spokesman said.

"No fine will be imposed for stopping to offload or collect passengers in areas where any driver may legally stop as there are no loading restrictions, such as the loading bay behind Marks & Spencer and Colin Campbell Court."

Mr Ash has written to MPs, councillors and the media and is calling on fellow taxi drivers to join his battle.

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Ta ... ticle.html

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Plymouth City Council's new camera car is imposing £35 fines on private hire drivers who drop off or collect passengers outside some parts of the city centre and Mutley.


if the driver is an out of area hack it should book them too then?


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Trying to put this up on the papers website....

I must say the article does not make it clear enough that whilst Hackneys can “Pick up or Set down on bus stops”, Private Hire may not. This is of course fully inline with the legislation. The Taxi may only stop for the time taken to load or unload passengers, so I would agree that “to use the cash machine” is not legitimate.
In Plymouth, Taxis and Private hire vehicles along with Busses, Bicycles and Motorbikes may use the bus lanes. K, Plymouth I suggest you look at the signs.
I now encourage all my disabled customers to board and alight at bus stops - the raised "Bus Boarders" certainly make my life easier and it's more comfortable for them. If when I get there a bus is on the stop, I patiently wait behind. If whilst loading, a bus wants to use the stop, the driver has to wait for me to unload or load and secure my passenger. This is what the legislation states must happen.
Therefor anyone wanting to board or alight in Royal Parade, I suggest a Hackney and not a Private Hire vehicle is your best alternative.

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