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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:36 am 
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Meet Sue Bruce the New chief Executive of Edinburgh Council.

The new chief executive is apparently here to drag Edinburgh council out of the dark ages and into the twenty-first century. What's the big deal, I hear you say?

I suggest you click on the links and inform yourself as to Mrs., Bruce's background.

http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/CouncilD ... e_biog.asp


http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/articl ... _executive

I wonder what might happen next? Now don't let your imaginations run riot.

Restriction is unsustainable and de-restriction, inevitable. :wink:

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Now consider this and tell me where I've got this wrong.

Licensing in Edinburgh is in turmoil. Years of Inch chicanery and double dealing , implemented by Millar, has left the councui facing serious problems.

An IPL which, as we've long said, and is about to be proved, is illegal.

The potential of legal suit for breach of good faith if the list is scrapped,

The potential for legal suit by those who bought into the council sanctioning the sale of plates - redress could cost the council £35 million at today's prices.

Cases in court, costs racking up, no potential for solving the mess.

In comes Donald Macleod. He's tasked with taxi licensing, Millar skulks off on "more important" legal matters.

Inch is about to retire.

The council is in the mire over trams, the costs are rising exponentially, legal suit by Bilferger is showing that the council looks to have been run by cowboys.

Conveniently for him, Inch is about to retire (I would like to think the cretin could be dragged back and put in the stocks :lol: ).

Enter stage left Sue Bruce. Is this a coincidence?

Her professional pedigree, her vast local government experience, is impeccable. She is clearly the dog's bollocks of professional local government expertise (I add the vernacular for the effect on the bewildered herd :lol: ). Check the online listings of her credentials and be in awe.

The trade is expecting the council to win the court cases, restriction maintained.

The economy is in tatters.

Aberdeen's corporate service director, when de-restrictng Aberdeen, announces that restriction is no longer tenable. The taxi trade is not entitled to special protected treatment in the current economic situation.

Now Sue Bruce, Aberdeen's former Chief Executive at the time of de-restriction, comes to Edinburgh, says Aberdeen was wrong. Taxi trade restriction is desirable and she is going to maintain it. Restriction in Edinburgh is tenable. Taxi owners in Edinburgh have the right to special treatment through Edinburgh Council's protection of their vested interest.

ReallY?

Boys, and Toots (the man :lol: ), do you honestly think so? With Sue Bruce getting her feet under Edinburgh's table doesn't this suggest she is here to dig a failing council out of the hole it has so publicly dug?

The game is over. What is being played out in court is the mechanics of getting there. The council is asking the court to get it off the hook. The IPL is dead. Any complainant will be directed to Sheriff Noble if they are not happy. Same goes for those aggrieved at losing the plate value we've always said was false. Sheriff Noble is the Lone Ranger riding to the council's rescue.

We understand 30 pages of postings from these forums were cited by the appellant's legal eagle (That's more than Central produced for the Murray Colky beano against the victorious duo :lol: . Coyly, for those in doubt, I tell you that's the Skull and me :lol: :lol: ).

Now, do you honestly believe the lawyers were telling Sheriff Noble that Swannee was not going to meet the skull and I on Tuesday night?

Or do you think the postings contained all the information we've laid before the trade - Coyle, Cosgrove decision, 3maxblack, IPL illegal - the list is endless.


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You get this Dougie? Do you understand what's happening here?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Boys, and Toots (the man :lol: ), I don't think so.


Listen jasbar, you fu*king fanny, I haven't said a word on this so quit with the chatting sh*t and stop assuming that I'm in the slightest bit interested about who's in charge of whatever in Edinburgh

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Restriction in Edinburgh is in its death throes.

If you are thinking about selling out and can find a mug. I would do it now. However, if you are intending to stay in the trade, I would be looking forward to reducing costs with the added prospect of single shifting your taxi.

If you don't have unrealistic expectations of what you can earn, your survival in a de-restricted market is assured. It all comes down to, living within your means. A lot of new blood will enter the trade to replace those that can't hack it. And hopefully, the trade will evolve to take control of its own destiny, without having to go, cap in hand to the council.

I can't see the vested interests of the taxi trade being protected as an endangered species for much longer.


You have been warned. :-|

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If you don't have unrealistic expectations of what you can earn, your survival in a de-restricted market is assured


How can you possibly say that, nothing is assured. Also what do you class as realistic expectations?

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toots wrote:
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Boys, and Toots (the man :lol: ), I don't think so.


Listen jasbar, you fu*king fanny, I haven't said a word on this so quit with the chatting sh*t and stop assuming that I'm in the slightest bit interested about who's in charge of whatever in Edinburgh


As I've said before, I can't think of a single female who would conduct themselves the way you do, not even the butchest lesbian.

You're a charlatan and a liar. A dishonest scumbag charlatan and liar at that that.

But keep it up. It's very amusing :lol:

BTW What is "chatting sh*t"? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Skull wrote:
Restriction in Edinburgh is in its death throes.

If you are thinking about selling out and can find a mug. I would do it now. However, if you are intending to stay in the trade, I would be looking forward to reducing costs with the added prospect of single shifting your taxi.

If you don't have unrealistic expectations of what you can earn, your survival in a de-restricted market is assured. It all comes down to, living within your means. A lot of new blood will enter the trade to replace those that can't hack it. And hopefully, the trade will evolve to take control of its own destiny, without having to go, cap in hand to the council.

I can't see the vested interests of the taxi trade being protected as an endangered species for much longer.


You have been warned. :-|


Aye I can see now.

Sue Bruce says, "Never mind the council's financial problems Donald, here's a cheque for two hundred grand, go and protect these nice taxi chaps' vested interest".

"And while you're at it, how are you getting along with the sacking of all those employees we're getting rid of? Can't be helped. It's about priorities, and we have to help those nice taxi owners keep their pretendy plate values".

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quality :lol:

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Jasbar wrote:
toots wrote:
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Boys, and Toots (the man :lol: ), I don't think so.


Listen jasbar, you fu*king fanny, I haven't said a word on this so quit with the chatting sh*t and stop assuming that I'm in the slightest bit interested about who's in charge of whatever in Edinburgh


As I've said before, I can't think of a single female who would conduct themselves the way you do, not even the butchest lesbian.

You're a charlatan and a liar. A dishonest scumbag charlatan and liar at that that.

But keep it up. It's very amusing :lol:

BTW What is "chatting sh*t"? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I'm a charlatan and a liar? Pmsl you tit. You practice one thing and preach another, where do you get off criticising anybody for the thier lifestyles and beliefs. You think that saying things about people makes it so but it doesn't and I'm above being bothered by your childish remarks about whom and what you think I am.

BTW chatting sh*t is something you do on a daily basis, in fact most likely an hourly basis, but hey, whom am I to criticise.

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toots wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
toots wrote:
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Boys, and Toots (the man :lol: ), I don't think so.


Listen jasbar, you fu*king fanny, I haven't said a word on this so quit with the chatting sh*t and stop assuming that I'm in the slightest bit interested about who's in charge of whatever in Edinburgh


As I've said before, I can't think of a single female who would conduct themselves the way you do, not even the butchest lesbian.

You're a charlatan and a liar. A dishonest scumbag charlatan and liar at that that.

But keep it up. It's very amusing :lol:

BTW What is "chatting sh*t"? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I'm a charlatan and a liar? Pmsl you tit. You practice one thing and preach another, where do you get off criticising anybody for the thier lifestyles and beliefs. You think that saying things about people makes it so but it doesn't and I'm above being bothered by your childish remarks about whom and what you think I am.

BTW chatting sh*t is something you do on a daily basis, in fact most likely an hourly basis, but hey, whom am I to criticise.


More use of female anatomy as a put down. Defo not anything any female I know would say.

You've gotta be the saddest guy on the planet. Nothing sensible to contribute, adding nothing to any debate, and hiding behind an anonymous female persona to do it.

Now toddle off and leave the discussion to those who have something to say that's credible. Who have warned the trade about impending de-restriction, and how untenable and unsustainable it is. Who have exhorted the trade to beef up quality controls. All ignored because of vested interest.

Now we have a huge lesser qualified PH undercutting us.

Now I'll just ignore your infantile postings.





:lol:

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Jasbar wrote:


Now toddle off and leave the discussion to those who have something to say that's credible. Who have warned the trade about impending de-restriction, and how untenable and unsustainable it is. Who have exhorted the trade to beef up quality controls. All ignored because of vested interest.





:lol:


So who would that leave in the discussion Jasbar?

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So who would that leave in the discussion Jasbar?

My guess, himself and Skull. They only have time for their own opinions.

The friendly Scottish section has gone.

Perhaps a Skull and Jasbar only section would be a good idea.

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Chris the Fish wrote:
grandad wrote:
So who would that leave in the discussion Jasbar?

My guess, himself and Skull. They only have time for their own opinions.

The friendly Scottish section has gone.

Perhaps a Skull and Jasbar only section would be a good idea.


We could call it the self absorbed tit section :D

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I have no problem with debate, if someone has a position that's fine. You can have two or more sides to anything worth arguing.

What I object to, is the holding of a position and then degenerating into personal abuse.

This is why in any democratic setup, in a Union, an Association, a Council or even a Parliament, different points of view must be able to be heard. In these institutions however, personal abuse is banned. Majority rule is, after the debate, the only way forward if a true concensus can't be reached in these organizations.

A "forum" is a place by definition, for debate. A boxing ring, battleground or Courtroom are those areas set aside for fighting.

This is forum. We don't need to reach concensus, we don't need to have majority rule, we just need to see and appreciate all points of view, whether we agree with them or not.

Wouldn't life be better if the personal abuse was to end on all sides, so that reasoned debate could continue?

To this end, I unreservedly apologise for my previos comment suggesting isolating anyone.

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I'm inclined to agree with you Chris. I would like nothing more than to be able to express an opinion without it being used to insult me. It seems a near impossibility on the Scottish threads tho, which is a shame because they seem to have some interesting subjects to debate. With the laws there sometimes being different than our own it would be interesting to know how things differ in Scotland than they do in the rest of the UK, but, again if you show ignorance of the Scottish law you are inclined to be ridiculed before you are educated. I have tried biting my fingers before I type but they're sore now :wink: I do genuinely hope you get your wish tho :D

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Chris the Fish wrote:
IThis is why in any democratic setup, in a Union, an Association, a Council or even a Parliament, different points of view must be able to be heard. In these institutions however, personal abuse is banned. Majority rule is, after the debate, the only way forward if a true concensus can't be reached in these organizations.

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Democracy is an illusion perpetrated by the control group on the bewildered herd to maintain their blind compliance.

There is not one councillor in Edinburgh who was elected with the votes of more than one in six of his/her electorate - less than 17%. Majority view?

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