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Thanks for that Wayne, learnt a lot from your knowledge of the differing value's of the medallion system and recognise similar periods within our trade, single shifters and all that.

Another point i noticed was the 5% transfer tax, very interesting

Again thanks :)

Private Reggie protecting and enhancing the value of the product, VOTE RESTRICTION VOTE MEDALLION :D :D :wink:


That aint my knowledge its from a report into New York licensing........the point that did cause me interest was the politicians realisation that if they flooded the market it would have an adverse affect.

I can supply you with the report if you send me your email.

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Jayne, you can't flood the market, because market forces kicks in and the market regulates itself.

In our restricted market conditions the market expresses itself through other means.

In New York 13000 taxis extrapolates to 40000 other hires.

In Glasgow the ration is 1:2.5. The restricted sector is held back. The unrestricted sector expans to meet demand.

Increases in demand, because of the mechanics required to get the restricted sector going - surveys etc. - are satisfied by the unbrestricted sector. This leads to the restricted sector losing control, as in Edinburgh where pricing is being set by the competition and the restricted sector is losing its customer base and its critical mass.

Now back to the Medallion system. Not only is it not going to happen here, legally it can't happen here.

Dougie is a fantasist numbskull. A humorous diversion. By egging him on, Jayne is just showing that he has no grip on reality.


What Reggie and CC fail to realise that to operate a 'Medallion' system in this country would open the floodgates to the wrong kind of investors as has happened in New York. The undesirables looking to make a fast 'Buck' who dont give a 'yankee dollar' about the people working in this trade. To even suggest that system is complete madness as this is Edinburgh and to compare it to New York albeit on a lower scale is suicide. There are people retired in the sunnier climes of the States milking it from the New York Medallion system who have no interest in the taxi trade other than 'how much green', they are getting are these the types that you want here? There are good honest taxi drivers in New York been driving for 30 years or more who cannot invest in a Taxi because they simply cannot afford to, they are just milk cows to the Corporate and individual 'Medallion Owners' who live in the Southern belt playing golf all [edited by admin] day. So Reggie you know what you can do with your 'Medallion System' go [edited by admin] buy one in New York, i am sure you can afford to as on one of your Posts to ALI T you were spouting about what you own, so put your money where your mouth is..... INVEST IN THE YANKEE DOLLAR

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The only difference between the New York Medallion system and Edinburgh's system is the FACT Edinburgh CEC is missing the Boat :wink:

A lot of guy's in the Edinburgh trade believe in the Council charging a New licence fee granted of say £30k, a 5% transfer tax on the trading of plates would bring us in to line with the medallion system. :D

As for SKULLS comments concerning comments about me well CC is bang on the money, sounds familar :lol: :lol: :lol:

Skull and Taylor know they have competition, a competitor who has an alternative to their view on how the Edinburgh trade should be, as i say Edinburgh already operate a similar system to the Medallion system, i'm just highlighting that there is no going back so CEC should just go the whole hog :lol: :lol: :lol:

AliT we are talking about the future not the past or present, CEC could take the Cab office to another level if CEC go the whole hog and operate the medallion system in full :D :D

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Private Reggie wrote:
The only difference between the New York Medallion system and Edinburgh's system is the FACT Edinburgh CEC is missing the Boat :wink:

isnt that a bit like saying the only difference is well.... their.....different :lol: :lol:
you really do have a talent for looking at the facts and convincing yourself that the exact opposite is true,your not of Irish decent are you :lol: :lol:


A lot of guy's in the Edinburgh trade believe in the Council charging a New licence fee granted of say £30k, a 5% transfer tax on the trading of plates would bring us in to line with the medallion system. :D


not possible FACT
this is just your imagination running wild,i always wanted to be in the A-TEAM when i was a kid,funnily enough it never came to fruition either :roll: i grew up and accepted it was just tv....will you :?: :?:


As for SKULLS comments concerning comments about me well CC is bang on the money, sounds familar :lol: :lol: :lol:

Skull and Taylor know they have competition, a competitor who has an alternative to their view on how the Edinburgh trade should be, as i say Edinburgh already operate a similar system to the Medallion system, i'm just highlighting that there is no going back so CEC should just go the whole hog :lol: :lol: :lol:

Edinburgh does not operate a system like the medallion system.
its only similar in your head.
as for competition,what competition ?
their ain't one and you where never in it,only in your own head :oops:


AliT we are talking about the future not the past or present, CEC could take the Cab office to another level if CEC go the whole hog and operate the medallion system in full :D :D


you've failed to show me how they could

you seem to have convinced yourself that c.e.c have moved towards the medallion system,when you say if they go the whole hog
more delusions :oops:

I've asked! you've failed to deliver on anything you've said.
a classic case of mouth over mind Dougie


apologies to all of Ireland for associating Scotland's worst with your fine isle


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Whatever it takes to satisfy the standards required to control entry to the trade


I was trying to find out what you considered to be satisfactory

I still don't agree with the first aid requirement. I don't believe a taxi driver should have to train to the standard required to fulfil the insurance requirements of the same. Although some first aid training would be of benefit so they can accurately describe what is happening to a person if they ever need to call for emergency services and so they can place that person in the basic recovery position if needed.

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The recognition of passenger behaviour in a moving vehicle. And loading, stopping, starting, baggage handling etc. The same standards as PSV


That's already covered in the NVQ so I think you're right. I pressume you don't have an SNVQ or you would know this. Thanks for the clarification

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Not so. It's the driver who is responsible for the vehicle condition on shift - bodywork, tyres, advertising etc - anything the cab office can pull you up for.


That was my mistake I read it wrong, but, again this is already covered in the NVQ

I agree with you regarding the communication skills but I was wondering whether you would expect a driver to be able to write clear English too

As for your comments regarding IQ you're still not clear about this when you say "Substantially higher than currently". With regard to my IQ you're not qualified to say really are you? You should never judge a book by it's cover or it's percieved cover seeing as you ain't never met me.

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Knowledge of Laws which should be mandatory.

Licensing
Road Traffic
Contract
Theft
Fraud
Assault
Police powers
Criminal Law &etc

And an understanding of council procedures and Court process.


And that's just for starters.

Of course, the standards applying to Taxi drivers should also apply to all PH drivers too.

Why should any member of the public travelling by private hire have to accept a lower standard?


I don't think understanding court process is a necessary thing when it comes to obtaining a licence. I think you may find that the best practise guidance would consider that an onerus condition, in fact, I think best practise would consider most of this an onerus condition, but, I agree that drivers need to be trained and educated in the trade they intend to work.

I pressume by your ignoring the comments regarding SME training that you don't agree with me on this. Even with basic SME training a lot people wouldn't even consider this trade as an option once they have looked at it from that perspective

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The CG(S)A 1982 means NEVER Dougie.

But keep it up. It is hilarious.

I wonder if those who think agree with you, in order to "protect" their interests will put their heads above the parapet and declare themselves?

Or, as more likely, isn't this just another Dougie "quorum" moment :lol:

DEarie me.

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Whatever it takes to satisfy the standards required to control entry to the trade


I was trying to find out what you considered to be satisfactory

I still don't agree with the first aid requirement. I don't believe a taxi driver should have to train to the standard required to fulfil the insurance requirements of the same. Although some first aid training would be of benefit so they can accurately describe what is happening to a person if they ever need to call for emergency services and so they can place that person in the basic recovery position if needed.

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The recognition of passenger behaviour in a moving vehicle. And loading, stopping, starting, baggage handling etc. The same standards as PSV


That's already covered in the NVQ so I think you're right. I pressume you don't have an SNVQ or you would know this. Thanks for the clarification

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Not so. It's the driver who is responsible for the vehicle condition on shift - bodywork, tyres, advertising etc - anything the cab office can pull you up for.


That was my mistake I read it wrong, but, again this is already covered in the NVQ

I agree with you regarding the communication skills but I was wondering whether you would expect a driver to be able to write clear English too

As for your comments regarding IQ you're still not clear about this when you say "Substantially higher than currently". With regard to my IQ you're not qualified to say really are you? You should never judge a book by it's cover or it's percieved cover seeing as you ain't never met me.

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Knowledge of Laws which should be mandatory.

Licensing
Road Traffic
Contract
Theft
Fraud
Assault
Police powers
Criminal Law &etc

And an understanding of council procedures and Court process.


And that's just for starters.

Of course, the standards applying to Taxi drivers should also apply to all PH drivers too.

Why should any member of the public travelling by private hire have to accept a lower standard?


I don't think understanding court process is a necessary thing when it comes to obtaining a licence. I think you may find that the best practise guidance would consider that an onerus condition, in fact, I think best practise would consider most of this an onerus condition, but, I agree that drivers need to be trained and educated in the trade they intend to work.

I pressume by your ignoring the comments regarding SME training that you don't agree with me on this. Even with basic SME training a lot people wouldn't even consider this trade as an option once they have looked at it from that perspective


But we're all qualified to judge your IQ. All we have to do is look at your posts and then consider why a man would want to pose as a female.

That says it all really.

But if we still had any doubt we would simply take account of how intelligent you would have to be to want to put females into harms way to maintain a restriction.

One wouldn't need to be the brain of Britain to understand that such an individual couldn't possinly have an IQ of anything approaching that required to be customer facing.

:wink: :-o

BTW It doesn't matter what is int eh NVQ. It doesn't exist here inEdinburgh.

But I like the idea of a transferable skill qualification and am certain that even as it appears to exist, it would help keep down the numbers here.

We have training modules in Edinburgh, but they are attendance qualifications only. There is no measurable standard required, there is no transferable skill qualification. They are just a means for the council to claim they are doing something and for the college to harvest cash.

As for written language skills, I take that you are simply taking the pash. So much for real debate.

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Toots Said

"I don't think understanding court process is a necessary thing when it comes to obtaining a licence. I think you may find that the best practise guidance would consider that an onerus condition, in fact, I think best practise would consider most of this an onerus condition, but, I agree that drivers need to be trained and educated in the trade they intend to work."


As soon as a driver gets in a little trouble for whatever reason, the police

if posible try to have the liecence from Him/Her. Threatend with losing his/her

way of making a crust, seeks help from lawyers at great cost ,

A knowledge of the court system, therfore will at least help the the driver

understand and regain some power over the powers that be who all to

often abuse there power and us ,simply because of our lack of knowledge


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You should never judge a book by it's cover or it's percieved cover seeing as you ain't never met me.

Books can be judged by the cover, if that's the information you have. The onus is on the author to ensure that the cover accurately reflects what's inside if there is any real desire for the book to be read.

In your case anonymity renders your image a mirage. I can't trust a thing you say because you don't have the courage of your convictions.



I don't think understanding court process is a necessary thing when it comes to obtaining a licence.

Not obtaining a licence perhaps but doing the job requires it.
Before I entered the trade I had had no contact with councils, councillors, cops, lawyers, courts etc.

I have now had contact with them all and recognise the disadvantage I've had because of having no knowledge of the processes. It's in the interests of anyone entering the trade to be made aware of where their profession can go. Else they will just get shafted. Of course this doesn't have to be to degree level, just awareness.


I think you may find that the best practise guidance would consider that an onerus condition, in fact, I think best practise would consider most of this an onerus condition, but, I agree that drivers need to be trained and educated in the trade they intend to work.


So what. Council's pick and choose which parts of Best Practice to adopt as it suits them. That's why they can ignore the warning that restriction can place the public at risk.

What's important is not Best Practice, but Human Rights. And this is where we are heading.


I pressume by your ignoring the comments regarding SME training that you don't agree with me on this. Even with basic SME training a lot people wouldn't even consider this trade as an option once they have looked at it from that perspective

Pressure of time was the reason for not responding, not disagreement.

I have included the same in previous discussions of this topic. I think it would be a good, nay essential, requirement.

Hopefully it would ensure that decisions taken with the trade were always rationally and fiscally sound.

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Wow lots of responses;

Jinky, I didnt say I had an opinion either way, but that being said, unlimited private hire and for that matter hackney carriages already have the 'wrong kind of investors' or are you not aware of gangsters using the licensed trade for money laundering, drug running etc.

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Wow lots of responses;

Jinky, I didnt say I had an opinion either way, but that being said, unlimited private hire and for that matter hackney carriages already have the 'wrong kind of investors' or are you not aware of gangsters using the licensed trade for money laundering, drug running etc.

CC


Sweeping statements again CC. What real proof do you have?

And don't give us any of that sensationalist newspaper guff.

Just tell us real prosecutiuons which prove trade links to crime and wrongdoers who have been incarcerated as a result.

Try to keep it sensible and not your usual childish tripe.

We're waiting.

BTW LKet me kick things off by saying that I reckon there's unlikely to be many cabbies who haven't, either knowingly or unknowingly, done a multi-destination hire that is almost certainly a drug run.

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BTW LKet me kick things off by saying that I reckon there's unlikely to be many cabbies who haven't, either knowingly or unknowingly, done a multi-destination hire that is almost certainly a drug run.


If any at all. To use you're term anonymity, they need it, we provide it. not willingly, but who are we to judge?

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Sweeping statements again CC. What real proof do you have?

And don't give us any of that sensationalist newspaper guff.

Just tell us real prosecutiuons which prove trade links to crime and wrongdoers who have been incarcerated as a result.

Try to keep it sensible and not your usual childish tripe.

We're waiting.


http://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/local/ ... g_dealing/

http://www.thestar.co.uk/headlines/Drug ... 6098542.jp

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news- ... -is-banned

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/pounds+1M ... 0125859105

http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/new ... ver_drugs/

http://cannazine.co.uk/class-a-substanc ... enced.html

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topst ... 4307714.jp

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... 4305436.jp

http://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/news ... cid=717573

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-ea ... -14702752/

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Sweeping statements again CC. What real proof do you have?


I posted this in the news thread, but reproduce it part here.

Taxi driver Howard Yockney gets eight year prison sentence for running drugs business

A YORK taxi driver has been jailed for eight years for running a major heroin and cocaine business from his hackney carriage.

Howard Simon Yockney kept hard drugs worth more than £60,000 in his garage and used his taxi business as a cover as he delivered them to addicts, York Crown Court heard.

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http://menmedia.co.uk/asiannews/news/cr ... laundering

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess ... -24237626/

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott ... -20623842/

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Ex ... ticle.html

http://www.strathclyde.police.uk/index. ... docID=7137

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -gang.html

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http://menmedia.co.uk/asiannews/news/crime/s/1364945_taxi_driver_jailed_for_money_laundering

The guy just happened to be a taxi driver. He wasn't using the trade to launder mnoney. He was just stupid. CC, I hope it gets better than this.

The same is substantially true of the rest of the guff you've posted. Where is the smoking gun that the txi and PH trades are riddled with crime gang activity?

You must try harder CC And you gotta stop buying into the red top sensationalism I warned you about.



http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess ... -24237626/

Again, a maverick working on his own.

It's not getting any better CC. This hardly proves the game is endemic with crime problems. This guy could have been a road sweeper, even a pretendy writer contributing to a mickey mouse trade magazine, or whatever.

I thought I told you to keep the news sensationalism out of this debate?


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott ... -20623842/

Now this is better. Now you're trying. Except this is 10 private hire licences in a city which has 3,500. This hardly proves that crime has got a grip on PH does it? A penny-ante wee family company is hardly big drug baron stuff. It would never have the turnover to satisfy the needs of "Mr Big". Unless you know of a way that you can launder millions through what is little more than a piggy bank. BTW, if you do, then you're defo in the wrong game.

No doubt the council and cops got their rocks off with this, but we all know it doesn't stack up to a whole can of beans. However, I'm sure the bewildered herd will be happy.

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Ex-taxi-firm-
boss-denies-drugs-charges/article-2903657-detail/article.html

Now I know you're struggling. This is subjudice, it aint even been proved. Dearie me CC. Let's hope it gets better, eh?


http://www.strathclyde.police.uk/index. ... docID=7137

Why does it not surprise me that you are impressd by this authority "window dressing". You could get these results at any time. But let's look at the offences detected:

* Contravention of the misuse of drugs act 1971

Any carriage of drugs is an offence. There's nothing to suggest here that they were for anything other than personal use. Hardly crime gang stuff.

* Carrying of offensive weapons inside taxis

I could walk along any rank, at any time, and discover offensive weapons. It's a dangerous world out there, it's hardly surprising some guys get tooled up.

Or that some stupidly use real weapons rather than the monkey wrench or the big steel torch or the can of de-icer that is quite common. What is an offensive weapon anyway? It doesn't have to be some guy thinking he can explain the baseball bat at his side.

Again this is not big crime stuff nor proof that the trade is lorded over by crime lords.

It would appear that you didn't have the wit to see what the authorities were trying to achieve here. You've bought their illusion like a compliant unit of production should. Well done to you eh?

Dearie me. Let's hope the next one is better, eh? Not!!!!


* Driving without insurance

A simple motoring offence, not a crime lord maniestation. Oh dear.


* Operating as a taxi where the driver was not licensed.

How does Mr Big make money from this? He's got a fleet of taxis in his business and he fills them with random bozos believing he's not gonna get found out? You must think all crime lords are as stupid as you and Dougie. How quaintly naive.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -gang.html


Now I know you're taking the p*sh CC. You obviously thought I wouldn't get this far so you slipped this under the radar to pad out your rant.

This story doesn't even mention the word taxi, or PH for that matter.

Given the cross contamination, which is now clearly infectious, it is evident that you must be in bed with Dougie. How else can it be explained for an outbreak of idiocy to spontaneously appear in two distant parts of the country.


It's ramblings like this which render taxi talk magazine a rag. How can it have any credibility when its "star" contributor comes up with this shecht. And with obvious great ease too.

You are seriously insane CC. Does your psychiatrist know that you're out?

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